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Posted 06 October 2008 - 08:02 PM

I think it's a win win scenario, everyone associated with the Mini will benefit from the publicity, even BMW by being big enough to recognise the classic for being more than a brand they've bought. Even if they all end up solely a rich boys toys and novelty investments it will remind a lot of people that Minis are still very much alive and kicking.

I'll say it again, there's no disputing BMW own the brand, the name and the insignia, I really think they could be on a hiding to nothing if they tried to throw their weight against someone who started reproducing the product or any part of it.


BMW would tie anyone up in so much red tape, they wouldn't feasibly have the money to even get it to court. I have seen one of their Legal documents, telling people not to use name etc, they are huge. Most would be bankrupt before it even made court, which is why most companies that have been challenged over use of the name/shape/whatever have not been able to fight it.

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 09:43 PM

They may get aroound BMW's trademarks, as they are planning on building them to order for customers, instead of marketing them as new cars.

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Posted 06 October 2008 - 09:51 PM

They may get aroound BMW's trademarks, as they are planning on building them to order for customers, instead of marketing them as new cars.



I can't see it happening. THey are wanting to make 50 minis on 09 plates.... so they are in thoery not doing it to customer orders.. they have specified that they would build 50 new minis to customers specifications.... but that is what BMW do with their minis.

Plus 50 heratage shells? I always thought there was a waiting list for them?

Either way i think BMW won't allow it.. Its 50 brand new minis... the odd one may be okay but 50?

Edited by Roo, 06 October 2008 - 10:03 PM.


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Posted 07 October 2008 - 01:09 AM

Not me. I want a Mini I can drive, not one that just looks pretty and has a huge pricetag that i'd be worrying about taking it out.


W&P are being true to their own heritage as coach builders. I once took a Margrave 1275GT for a test drive when one cropped up in a local "Arthur Dayleys" - it was hard work turning the carpet back to check the sills for tin worm it was that thick, the rest of the interior was also of a seriously high standard. It was also quiet and rattle free on the road but shifted about as well as a standard 998 thanks to the added weight. I'm sure, amongst the city players that haven't yet thrown themselves off Canary Wharfe, £25-30k for a car that will get round Central London just as quick as a Porker, cost less to run, and turn more heads will have some appeal.

BMW would tie anyone up in so much red tape, they wouldn't feasibly have the money to even get it to court. I have seen one of their Legal documents, telling people not to use name etc, they are huge. Most would be bankrupt before it even made court, which is why most companies that have been challenged over use of the name/shape/whatever have not been able to fight it.


I'm sure that's the impression BMW want to give when they put the company solicitors to work. BMW would have to do the running as the plaintiff and would have far more at stake than the other party if they did take it to court and lost. It costs nothing to ignore someone, and they can only compel you to deal with them in court. They might talk up their case, like the Soviet Nuclear Deterrent, but it doesn't mean they'd be fool hardy enough to allow someone to call their bluff for the cost of half a dozen Binis.

Intellectual property rights exist for the good of Humanity, to help anyone who invests in bringing a new product to the market have the opportunity to recoup their investment and make enough of a profit to make it worthwhile - once you've had your go, everyone else is let in on the act to try and make it better and cheaper (branding it Matsui or Amstrad is optional). If the intention was to provide a meal ticket for life then Patents and Registered Designs would last forever and we'd probably all still be tootling round in Model T's - at least the few of us who could actually afford one.


They may get aroound BMW's trademarks, as they are planning on building them to order for customers, instead of marketing them as new cars.


Stick someone else's (bona fide) trademark on your own products and they have a very real chance of suing you for the damage you do to their reputation and any business you've knicked off them. You could also attract the attention of the Criminal Justice System if they thought you were deliberately pretending to be BMW to make a quick buck. What badges you stick on your own car, once you've bought it is entirely a matter of your own taste (well nearly - as long as they're not sharp 'n pointy or too rude)

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Posted 07 October 2008 - 06:24 AM

This sounds good :)
Considering what W&P have done over the years and established a named company.

Edited by Joshmini, 07 October 2008 - 06:24 AM.


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Posted 07 October 2008 - 06:52 AM

I'll believe it when I see it. It would be nice but I can't see the ogre which is BMW allowing it. IF it was true, some nice, galvanised, lightweight little beasties which were affordable to Joe Bloggs (a lot less than £25k) would be a more fitting celebration.

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Posted 07 October 2008 - 07:38 AM

spanner in the works here, i heard last night that w&p are actually converting 50 BINIS!!!!! and have the blessing of BMW and not 50 actual classic minis!!!!!!!!!!
please tell me they are wrong?



That's not true. The rumour mill is really churning them out, isn't it?

What they would like to do (if they have the capital, the interest & the legalities sorted) is to produce fifty bespoke "W&P 50" badged cars. What they are doing is building a single car for the shows for next year. I suspect they'll want to keep that one, anyway, rather than sell it.

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Posted 07 October 2008 - 08:00 AM

I heard that juju, but explain this.... apparently BMW have an order for 50 R hand drive standard models in a limited edition run of just 2 colours, on the first 09 plates next year , my 'good' secret friend is a cad operator in a design house that specialise in product labelling and they have been asked to quote for the commission of the BMW mini 50 anniversary artwork!, now the dealerships say they have no idea what is happening but im guessing maybe they are for a competition or promotion, its really a wild guess but.... again on the grape vine it is said that W & P have been asked to design a margrave interior for these cars and add complementary trim?
Might be all spin.... ?


Well we all know that BMW are planning a little something.....W&P may have been approached......but....

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Posted 07 October 2008 - 08:01 AM

50 anniversary BINIs is far more likely than 50 Classic Minis I would have thought. Would make the 25K price tag more realistic too.

At the end of the day it is all rumor though, and neither option really celebrates the Mini IMO.

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Posted 07 October 2008 - 08:06 AM

I think a concept mini would have been a lovely idea showing what changes there might have been if the classic had continued in production



I agree.

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Posted 07 October 2008 - 09:01 AM

Regarding BMW cars - dealers would be the last to know and then there would be an embargo on the release fo the information.
Years ago I asked my local Subaru dealer to order me an Impreza RB5 as soon as he could - it was another 4 months before he even knew what I was talking about and even then the information was not supposed to be on general release!


As for the W&P thoughts - I think eveyone should read Juju's posts with care and maybe read between the lines a little. She is by far the closest link we have to W&P on this board as she has obviously made good friends there - her information will be from the horse's mouth (so to speak).
And, judging by the the above pm reference to her, might even know a little more than she should let on :)

Edited by GraemeC, 07 October 2008 - 09:02 AM.


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Posted 07 October 2008 - 09:16 AM

I think it should be a classic one with a very nice interior and loaded with gadgets that would be found on a modern car. Aircon, air bags cd players decent sound, central locking, electric windows. quiet, comfortable.... Everything your modern whatever has.....

I love the old mini and I think a celebratory one should have the same charm but with modern conveniences. It should show what could have been done if they carried on building it.

It should be a modern masterpiece...


I think I just repeated myself alot...

HAHA

But I would pay a huge price for a modern classic...

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Posted 07 October 2008 - 06:03 PM

I think a concept mini would have been a lovely idea showing what changes there might have been if the classic had continued in production



I agree.. a concept mini would be great. One that could be designed and displyed at some where like Gaydon or Beaulieu for all to see.

I still can't see them making 50 'classic' minis on 09 plates..

And i personally can't see anyone wanting to pay 25k for them... You could buy 2 + minis and fix them up to concourse standard for that!

The demand for classic minis is high but you'll find that people won't want to pay more than 3k for a decent one, Even a 'limited edition' one (as there are so many LEs out there now so why would this one be different)

Anyways its all speculation at the moment... until I actually see 50 'classic' minis produced and registered on 09 plates will be the day i believe it.

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Posted 07 October 2008 - 07:01 PM

Bmw Would be right :huh:'s if they wouldnt allow 50 classic mini shaped cars to be produced and sold. All that Blah about them buying the rights for mini, and re-designing it with respect for the legend which the mini is, surely 50 Classic mini shaped cars being sold wouldnt end the world for them? its only a celebration or somthing they have bought, and effectively "kept alive".

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Posted 07 October 2008 - 08:10 PM

During a Mini2 Factory Tour at the Oxford plant last month, the tour guides mentioned that 50th celebrations were being planned by MINI UK but they would only hint at the answers to any questions having been sworn to secrecy...................
Reading between the lines though it seems a 50th Anniversary New MINI is almost certain to be launched following on from the traditional milestone birthday limited editions that have been produced since the classic Minis 20th celebration in 1979.
However a Classic Mini 50th LE with BMW and others approvals is of course much more complex and more uncertain to go ahead at least in any numbers, so lets hope all the legal, safety rules and EU regs which have to be met and the people involved can reach the necessary agreements and make it a viable business proposition. Wood & Pickett have the right connections to the classic Minis history and an upmarket Margrave could probably justify the 25k price tag for a hand built run of cars, (perhaps in a similar way to how the ERA Mini Turbo was once made with Rover approval). Will there be enough customers? Will it be possible to export any (probably not the USA)? Also, even the original 1990's Factory built Mini Cabriolets never sold in the numbers Rover had hoped for mainly due to that high price tag............

The dates of the MINI UK 50th celebrations have also been announced as 22-24th May 2009
http://miniunited.co...ed/en/index.jsp
http://www.motoringf...ni-united-2009/
The 3 day event is to be part of MINI United which in recent years has brought together thousands of classic Mini and new MINI owners to celebrate and has previously been held in Misano, Italy in 2005 and Zandvoort, Holland in 2007. The UK venue has yet to be officially announced but is likely to be either Silverstone or Donnington Race Circuits.
Silverstone is rumoured to be favorite due to it being close to the Oxford MINI factory and the fact that Donnington will soon be undergoing major work to prepare for hosting future F1 British Grand Prix.




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