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#1 Traut

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Posted Yesterday, 11:28 AM

1) The quick question: There is an amount of free play in the carb damper before the oil slows the piston rise. Why?

 

2) The longer version.: I have got twin HS4s on a 1310cc A+, AAA needles, Red spring. SW5 cam. When I got the car, it was running very rich, you could smell it, and see it on the plugs. However, it had previously been set up on a rolling rd, but it's remit had been max power (98bhp) rather than anything sensible I believe.  Rather than take it to be rolling roaded again, I decided to spend the money instead on an AFR meter & put it on the exhaust near the gear stick recess. Works a treat. Sure enough, the AFR was reading 10-12 at idle, and still rich through to 30-50mph generally. 50-70, too lean at 16ish. I changed the needles to what I thought woukld be a better profie, AAB, and adjusted the idle to be a bit better at around 13. But was still too lean over 55mph. The worst thing though, was the lean spikes when just touching the throttle (at any speed, but worse at low revs and before warmed up) The lean spikes were causing terrible engine stutter, especially cruising at 20-40 & in traffic. Though generally the AFR reading was OK at that speed (14-15) I figured the lean spikes might be being caused by the free play in the damping, before the oil resistance is met. So I removed the circlip in both dampers, and inserted a small washer. It helped. I put in another washer. The lean spikes are almost gone, drives really well  (overall a tiny bit richer too).  I could probably tighten things up a bit more with a 3rd washer, and still leave plenty of room for the oil to pass on when the piston comes down.  So why is there so much free play before damping occurs in the stock damper ? There must be a reason,.

 

I put a data port in the ashtray for logging, so I have graphs of before and after if anyone is interested.



#2 Ethel

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Posted Yesterday, 03:52 PM

It's also a crude valve so it resists raising more than it does falling. To achieve that does require a little bit of movement.



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Posted Yesterday, 04:19 PM

Yes, you are right, it is a valve, but there is so much  (about 3mm) extra above what it needs for that to operate. Anyway. 2 washers to take up the play, for the moment, seem to be working a treat.



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Posted Yesterday, 05:39 PM

But it is meant to have that free play.



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Posted Yesterday, 06:13 PM

Maybe AC Dodd can answer this question..

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Posted Yesterday, 07:05 PM

There are quite a few different dampers available and it's likely you need a different one. As Ethel and Nick have mentioned, they all have some play.

 

In regards to your AFR readings and the needle you found in there, - this is the type of issue I see here with rolling road testers, in that they seldom (read that as none) will change needles and properly set the AFR, but just turn the mixture screw until it's better than when the car drove in. They do the same with the distributor.






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