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[Gaz66]

Ahhh, the age old discussion!
So, when Weber closed their Italian plant and transferred production to Spain the quality of the carbs plummeted (allegedly)
This was nearly 30 years ago now?
The question is has Weber now upped its game with assembly and machining etc and are they now producing carbs as good as they once were?
Or are the Spanish ones still regarded as inferior?

[r.tec]

Well, I cannot help with the question Weber Bologna - Weber Spain. But if I had not already two Bologna 45DCOE and one 40DCOE, although I do not like to support Chinese products generally, I would look at Chinese FAJS 45DCOE. Read a report recently that the quality of the FAJS DCOEs are like the originals. Obviously Chinese craftsmanship and machinery have made a step forward.

Edited by r.tec, 23 August 2024 - 08:43 AM.

[Shooter63]

I'm going to say yes to this, the quality of the Spanish Weber is no where near that of the Italian ones, in fact I would say the Spanish ones look Chinese, while the FAJS ones look Italian if you know what I mean. It's the same old same old, when you ask a company to make/copy something for you, you get to spec it out and at what price point. The Spanish Weber obviously works perfectly but the casting finish leaves a lot to be desired.

Shooter

[timmy850]

My friend got a Chinese copy DCOE Weber with his supercharger kit & before we’d even got it running it had messed up threads

And a few years before that he’d bought a Chinese copy IDF Weber and when we primed the fuel bowl it was leaking through the casting & we had to replace the whole thing

[r.tec]

Chinese 45DCOE. As I wrote before I actually did not need another DCOE as I have some of them, this affair did not let me loose.

 

I stuck my nose on Ali’s offering where I found a 45 sold by Sherryberg who usually do FAJS carbs. But this here was not FAJS but it reads „REEDMORAL“ on the top. Well, the price was €159.02, one cannot get a used original for that money. I did it. Ordered around the 30th August it arrived here the day before yesterday. I came via Post Nederland who sent it to German customs’ where it lay around for two days. I was convinced that I had to pay duty on the carb. When the postman rang I had some money ready to pay him. But nothing. He gave me the parcel, that was it. I do not know how they managed but I doubt that this was according to rules and law. Do not tell anybody from German customs’. So the price was including p&p and customs’ fee. Not bad @ all!

 

When I opened the parcel I was really astonished about the external finish. I took off the top to see inside, even there everything clinically clean. Even more surprised.

 

I took out the jets etc. to find that the auxiliary venturi was not labelled, neither was the float chamber jet.

 

On the net I found the standard Weber jettings on a leaflet of Viktor Günter Motorsport (Cologne) for the current 152 version of the 45.

 

Therefore I think that the venturi is of 4.5 size and the float jet is 200 as the other markings are as on the VGS table.

 

You can make your own opinion of the finish out of the photos I have taken. The only difference to my Version 9 and 13 of the 45s are the progression holes. 13 and 9 having two and the 152 has three of them. But on a full race engine that does not mean anything as these holes come into their own on very slight throttle openings that practically does not happen during racing. For street use this is another game because you do not want the engine spluttering on nearly closed throttle. On a race engine the pump jet deliver a fatter emulsion on acceleration.

 

I do not like to support China in general because of their politics concerning Taiwan and their behaviour in the Pacific but I must admit that obviously their craftsmanship has improved over time.

 

Hope you like my excursion on the topic and can draw your own conclusions out of it.

 

Regards,

Helmut

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[Shooter63]

Chinese 45DCOE. As I wrote before I actually did not need another DCOE as I have some of them, this affair did not let me loose.
 
I stuck my nose on Ali’s offering where I found a 45 sold by Sherryberg who usually do FAJS carbs. But this here was not FAJS but it reads „REEDMORAL“ on the top. Well, the price was €159.02, one cannot get a used original for that money. I did it. Ordered around the 30th August it arrived here the day before yesterday. I came via Post Nederland who sent it to German customs’ where it lay around for two days. I was convinced that I had to pay duty on the carb. When the postman rang I had some money ready to pay him. But nothing. He gave me the parcel, that was it. I do not know how they managed but I doubt that this was according to rules and law. Do not tell anybody from German customs’. So the price was including p&p and customs’ fee. Not bad @ all!
 
When I opened the parcel I was really astonished about the external finish. I took off the top to see inside, even there everything clinically clean. Even more surprised.
 
I took out the jets etc. to find that the auxiliary venturi was not labelled, neither was the float chamber jet.
 
On the net I found the standard Weber jettings on a leaflet of Viktor Günter Motorsport (Cologne) for the current 152 version of the 45.
 
Therefore I think that the venturi is of 4.5 size and the float jet is 200 as the other markings are as on the VGS table.
 
You can make your own opinion of the finish out of the photos I have taken. The only difference to my Version 9 and 13 of the 45s are the progression holes. 13 and 9 having two and the 152 has three of them. But on a full race engine that does not mean anything as these holes come into their own on very slight throttle openings that practically does not happen during racing. For street use this is another game because you do not want the engine spluttering on nearly closed throttle. On a race engine the pump jet deliver a fatter emulsion on acceleration.
 
I do not like to support China in general because of their politics concerning Taiwan and their behaviour in the Pacific but I must admit that obviously their craftsmanship has improved over time.
 
Hope you like my excursion on the topic and can draw your own conclusions out of it.
 
Regards,
Helmut
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The quality of that reminds me of Japanese, its the same old story, if you spec it right the Chinese can produce. On the same vein I bumped into one of my old biker mates a couple of weeks ago, he now restores 60's/70's Japanese bikes, his latest is a Suzuki Stinger, exhausts are NLA some how he got hold of a Chinese manufacturer, they said if he had an old set ( which he had) send the pipes to them ( at their cost ) they would make him a set at no cost, send them back to him again at no cost which he obviously agreed to. So the Chinese get the pattern they want, he gets a perfect set of pipes everybody is happy.

Shooter

[84 City E]

I work for a company that has a lot of products made in China, Taiwan, Pakistan etc etc (not mini parts)

As always there are several quality options, if you spec a good quality item made at a quality factory, you get stuff as good as the originals, if you spec a cheap  factory without explaining what you want 'exactly' then you get problems.

 

There is nothing wrong with chinese products as long as you ask for and pay for the top quality

[Gaz66]

The Chinese webers may be ok and better than the Spanish ones but.... You still have to get over the psychological aspect of it saying "ying xui tong" on the top rather than "Weber Bologna Italy" 😁