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#16 Spider

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Posted 03 August 2024 - 07:06 PM

30 years ago there were elements of society who were ******* scared of the internet

 

Hey - I still am !

 

Well, perhaps not 'scared' but I fear where it's already gone and where it's going, not so much for myself, but for my grandkids. My fear of it is not based on the unknown, but the known of it. It was at one point about 10 - 15 years ago a very useful tool, while that aspect is still there, it's since being used to exploit all of us. It reaches WAY too far in to or lives and our personal lives, far more than it needs to.
 



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Posted 03 August 2024 - 09:52 PM

An Mit study on AI has already found that it developed sinister skills at deception and manipulation of humans very quickly and needs very robust control. Let’s face it that won’t happen! I thought the Terminator film was a load of sh*t from China (far fetched) but maybe we should let the grandchildren watch it to give them a glimpse of their possible future!

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Posted 03 August 2024 - 10:40 PM

i think there is a lot of miss understanding here, but also a lot of real concerns.

 

chat gtp is about giving information.

 

 

 

chat gtp

 

could you try to predict the future please? i mean AI yourself, and where will be with it in 10 years time?

 

 

 

Predicting the future of AI is inherently speculative, but based on current trends and technological advancements, we can make some educated guesses about where AI might be in the next 10 years.

1. Advancements in AI Capabilities:
  • General AI: While we're currently in the era of Narrow AI (specialized in specific tasks), the next decade may see significant strides toward General AI, which can perform a wide variety of tasks at human-level proficiency.
  • Improved Natural Language Understanding: AI will likely become much better at understanding and generating human language, making interactions more natural and effective.
  • Enhanced Creativity: AI systems will likely improve in generating creative content such as art, music, and literature, with a better grasp of context and nuance.
2. AI in Everyday Life:
  • Personal Assistants: AI personal assistants will become more advanced, handling a broader range of tasks from scheduling and reminders to personalized content curation and complex problem-solving.
  • Healthcare: AI will play a crucial role in diagnostics, personalized medicine, and robotic surgery, enhancing the precision and efficiency of medical care.
  • Education: AI-driven personalized learning platforms will adapt to individual student needs, providing tailored education experiences and improving learning outcomes.
3. Economic and Workforce Impact:
  • Job Transformation: Many jobs will be augmented by AI, leading to increased productivity. However, some jobs may be automated entirely, necessitating reskilling and upskilling of the workforce.
  • New Industries: Entirely new industries centered around AI technologies will emerge, creating new job opportunities and economic growth areas.
  • Productivity Boost: Widespread AI adoption will significantly boost productivity across various sectors, from manufacturing to services.
4. Ethical and Social Considerations:
  • Bias and Fairness: There will be a greater focus on addressing bias in AI algorithms to ensure fairness and equity.
  • Privacy: With the increasing capability of AI to process personal data, privacy concerns will need to be addressed through better regulations and privacy-preserving technologies.
  • Regulation: Governments and international bodies will likely develop more comprehensive regulations to oversee AI development and deployment, ensuring safety and ethical standards.
5. AI and Human Interaction:
  • Enhanced Human-Machine Collaboration: AI will work more seamlessly alongside humans, enhancing our capabilities and helping us solve complex problems more efficiently.
  • Emotional Intelligence: AI systems will likely improve in recognizing and responding to human emotions, making interactions more empathetic and supportive.
6. Technological Integration:
  • IoT and AI Convergence: The integration of AI with the Internet of Things (IoT) will lead to smarter homes, cities, and workplaces, where devices and systems work together autonomously to improve efficiency and convenience.
  • Quantum Computing: Advances in quantum computing could accelerate AI development by providing the computational power needed to solve problems that are currently intractable.
7. Global Implications:
  • Digital Divide: Efforts will be needed to address the digital divide to ensure equitable access to AI benefits across different regions and populations.
  • Geopolitical Dynamics: AI will become a significant factor in geopolitical dynamics, with countries competing for leadership in AI technology and its applications.
Conclusion:

The future of AI holds immense potential for transforming various aspects of our lives. Over the next decade, we can expect AI to become more integrated into daily life, driving advancements in technology, economy, and society. However, this growth will also bring challenges that will require careful management to ensure that the benefits of AI are realized while mitigating risks and ethical concerns.

 

 

 

 

 

the only reason ai would go bad as if its core learning is bad. its not Joshua in war games.



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Posted 04 August 2024 - 04:24 AM

No misunderstanding, just a healthy mistrust of computers and a desire to use the forum as it is meant to be used. ;-)

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Posted 04 August 2024 - 07:35 AM

I apologize here if I appear cynical about it. I can see that you are looking at the good and likely healthy aspects that it could and should be used for. I'm not ignorant to those, however like I think many of us, I've seen the internet being (frankly) abused and exploited for too much evil to think that AI is going to be somehow devoid of that.

If I can just take some snippets here;-
 

i think there is a lot of miss understanding here, but also a lot of real concerns.

 

chat gtp is about giving information.

 

 

 

chat gtp

 

could you try to predict the future please? i mean AI yourself, and where will be with it in 10 years time?

 

 

 

Predicting the future of AI is inherently speculative, but based on current trends and technological advancements, we can make some educated guesses about where AI might be in the next 10 years.

1. Advancements in AI Capabilities:
  • Enhanced Creativity: AI systems will likely improve in generating creative content such as art, music, and literature, with a better grasp of context and nuance.
2. AI in Everyday Life:
  • Healthcare: AI will play a crucial role in diagnostics, personalized medicine, and robotic surgery, enhancing the precision and efficiency of medical care.
  • Education: AI-driven personalized learning platforms will adapt to individual student needs, providing tailored education experiences and improving learning outcomes.
3. Economic and Workforce Impact:
  • Job Transformation: Many jobs will be augmented by AI, leading to increased productivity. However, some jobs may be automated entirely, necessitating reskilling and upskilling of the workforce.
  • Productivity Boost: Widespread AI adoption will significantly boost productivity across various sectors, from manufacturing to services.
4. Ethical and Social Considerations:
  • Bias and Fairness: There will be a greater focus on addressing bias in AI algorithms to ensure fairness and equity.
  • Privacy: With the increasing capability of AI to process personal data, privacy concerns will need to be addressed through better regulations and privacy-preserving technologies.
  • Regulation: Governments and international bodies will likely develop more comprehensive regulations to oversee AI development and deployment, ensuring safety and ethical standards.
5. AI and Human Interaction:
  • Enhanced Human-Machine Collaboration: AI will work more seamlessly alongside humans, enhancing our capabilities and helping us solve complex problems more efficiently.
  • Emotional Intelligence: AI systems will likely improve in recognizing and responding to human emotions, making interactions more empathetic and supportive.
7. Global Implications:
  • Geopolitical Dynamics: AI will become a significant factor in geopolitical dynamics, with countries competing for leadership in AI technology and its applications.
Conclusion:

The future of AI holds immense potential for transforming various aspects of our lives. Over the next decade, we can expect AI to become more integrated into daily life, driving advancements in technology, economy, and society. However, this growth will also bring challenges that will require careful management to ensure that the benefits of AI are realized while mitigating risks and ethical concerns.

 

 

the only reason ai would go bad as if its core learning is bad. its not Joshua in war games.

 

Advanced (or enhanced) Creativity in arts etc. Personally, I think arts are one very human thing that AI should be banned from altogether. Arts and Music are so deeply human in radical ways that makes them valuable to us, not in monetary terms but as special human gifts and talents. To let AI loose here will devalue these gifts enormously and in doing so, take away a very special part of humanity as a whole.

Healthcare - Human Health is something that's not yet 100% understood by humans. Doctors for all their very specialise training and extensive experience still get things wrong (and I don't mean any slur in that), if they were to follow a text book in diagnosis, then they would get much more wrong I'm sure. It's their human ability to be able to see the whole picture of symptoms etc that allows them to make a diagnosis that I just can ever see any AI being able to reach, it will have had no human experience to draw upon to do so. I do see in some areas of medial research though, it could have some positive value.BUT, as AI can only draw on human knowledge and in a very limited way, human experience, if the humans were removed from that, even in a small way, then medical advancements will stagnate and eventually go backwards.

Education - almost the same as above applies here too. It can only teach what it has been taught - much the same as any teacher, however, I can't help but feel that this would be all too easy to manipulate but humans to play a more sinister role. Look at German for instance in the lead up to WWII and indeed dare I say, some of the teachings of today by frankly, confused people.

Workforce - Yes, I can most definitely see a lot of good can come from it being used here and there has already been a prediction in many countries that jobs will dry up to a point, where there simply will no longer be enough jobs available for the workforce that is at it's disposal and so a new welfare class will exist as a result. My own views here is that business now days has become merely a numbers game for the CEOs and owners have a moral responsibility to the communities within which they operate as too many are big enough to make or break these communities. They have the luxury of closing the business and going elsewhere if things are looking bad, where as most of the community where they are established do not.

Ethical and Social considerations - Without making this post of mine any longer than it need be, I think I am expressing many of my views on this here already !

Our Privacy however is already being exploited and done so to then be manipulative. I cannot understand why Governments have not yet stepped in with proper robust legislation against this. I can only see that AI will make this at least 100 x worse.

Human Machine Collaboration - yes, I think AI could be extremely useful here ! And frankly, this should be about all that it be limited to !

Emotional Intelligence - This must be 100% off limits to any AI system, though I'm likely way too late for this. Giving AI this capability will only aid and abet my concerns regarding privacy and exploitation.

 

Global Dynamics - if used in a proper way and monitored, indeed, it could be a very helpful tool, however, if were were to consider the likes of say,,, North Korea and many other countries, then it would only ramp up the abilities of these pirate & rouge states. by the way, something like 80% of the world's internet scams for money are done by the North Koreans, this is how they fund the country ! Do you really think AI would be a good thing here ?



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Posted 04 August 2024 - 07:43 AM

As a separate post here, in my own views, perhaps those of a cynical old dinosaur, I can't help but look out at the world and ask of all of us, " have we gone mad ? " and " how the hell did we get ourselves in to this mess ? "

As a tip of the iceberg, what I'm banging on about is the likes of that cloud (clown) strike issue the other week. One bad line of code, and the whole world stops. How mad is that ?  Imagine what hackers will be able to achieve in a few years, especially with AI.

And to think that so many of our apex utility services - electricity, water etc - are all connected to the internet,,,,,

Don't think it'll happen ?

The US Government allegedly already has and did this over 10 years ago before AI to cripple Iran's Nuclear industry. Google ' Stuxnet '. There's been a few versions since, but as best I am aware, the first time it was used, was in Iran.



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Posted 04 August 2024 - 03:55 PM

I hear what you are saying around human interaction but the same was said when the internet first came about and "forums" What about the owner clubs? and what about the books? 

 

There is enough room in the place for all to co-exist.

 

Here is a sample chat that I have just asked chat GPT and i think this is where iot is useful, as you can see the last question i asked is a bit more technical, its the most recent question asked on this forum and as you can see the response is simply not as good as you would get from a forum. 

 

https://chatgpt.com/...3c-6c9a1a6a170d



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Posted 04 August 2024 - 04:31 PM

I'm not into AI but here is a test you guys who are can try out, ' who or where was Kevlar invented?

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Posted 04 August 2024 - 04:45 PM

I'm not into AI but here is a test you guys who are can try out, ' who or where was Kevlar invented?

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https://lmgtfy.app/?...nvented kevlar?



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Posted 04 August 2024 - 07:36 PM

I'm not into AI but here is a test you guys who are can try out, ' who or where was Kevlar invented?

Shooter

https://lmgtfy.app/?...nvented kevlar?[/size]

That comes up as unsafe on my system

Shooter

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Posted 04 August 2024 - 07:41 PM

I hear what you are saying around human interaction but the same was said when the internet first came about and "forums" What about the owner clubs? and what about the books? 

 

There is enough room in the place for all to co-exist.

 

Here is a sample chat that I have just asked chat GPT and i think this is where iot is useful, as you can see the last question i asked is a bit more technical, its the most recent question asked on this forum and as you can see the response is simply not as good as you would get from a forum. 

 

https://chatgpt.com/...3c-6c9a1a6a170d

 

Cheers for that. I did read the link and thanks for going to the trouble of providing that as an example. That one as it is, is somewhat helpful and harmless, though it's really just a search engine on low level steroids, drawing from a few sources rather than just one which is in most instance, probably a good thing.

 

That doesn't concern me, though I'd like to see (and many of us here would), human interaction on the forum. It's bad enough that it has slowed up in recent years with many going to the likes of faceache. It's also good for the sole too when the odd funny is tossed in to various threads, I'm sure we all enjoy a good chuckle and I'm not sure we'd get that any time soon from AI and is it smart enough when searching through various threads to know the difference between humorous advice vs poor / bad advice vs good advice ?

I'll just finish here by saying that what concerns me with it is the sinister uses that it will be put to. As for the internet in general, it's become WAY more sinister than I ever imagined.



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Posted 04 August 2024 - 07:52 PM

 

 

I'm not into AI but here is a test you guys who are can try out, ' who or where was Kevlar invented?

Shooter

https://lmgtfy.app/?...nvented kevlar?[/size]
That comes up as unsafe on my system

Shooter

 

That juts backs up what Spider has been saying. It’s a dangerous place kids.



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Posted 05 August 2024 - 11:56 AM

I think the problem with ai is more to do with human complacency re believing everything that the ai system tells them and not developing a good enough understanding to challenge the ai when it may have got things wrong.

We've already seen this with satnavs

Chatgpt is no skynet and it doesn't actually know what is talking about.

Edited by Mito, 05 August 2024 - 11:57 AM.


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Posted 05 August 2024 - 06:28 PM

 

the only reason ai would go bad as if its core learning is bad. its not Joshua in war games.

You're absolutely correct.

 

We can't manage the resources of the planet effectively, agree to ensure the climate remains within acceptable norms for humans, ensure society is equal, etc.

 

The internet, which most AI is trained on, is a cess pool.

 

Corporations do not in any way have our best interests at heart, regardless of their so called mission statements.

 

If AI eventually decides that the human race isn't worth continuing, then I think it would be a legitimate conclusion. We're so f*****.



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Posted 06 August 2024 - 07:34 AM

Well, I'll take my hat off to it, if it knows how the "Search Feature" works on here.

Looking at the 'whats on your mind' posts recently, it could probably do a better job.






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