60 replies to this topic

[coopertaz]

checked mine out of curiosity 1982 historic and registered, comes up as charge to pay.

[mgjalopy]

Why can I not submit the forms before 1 April 2027? It was registered on 15 July 1986 so surely it's 40 on same date in 2026? Why would I have to wait another year?

[Quinlan minor]

 Why would I have to wait another year?

Same reason you require a licence and insurance to legally drive on public roads.

It's the Law.

Edited by Quinlan minor, 31 July 2023 - 10:47 AM.

[KTS]

Why can I not submit the forms before 1 April 2027? It was registered on 15 July 1986 so surely it's 40 on same date in 2026? Why would I have to wait another year?

 

..because that's how it works.

 

you can only claim tax exemption from the beginning of the tax year (1st April), but to do so the vehicle must be at least 40 years old at the beginning of the calendar year

[coopertaz]

found this out with mine registered oct.82 dvla advised tax exempt from 1st april 2023

[mgjalopy]

I am honestly not bothered about the tax, MOT and insurance situation as that is paid annually. I just want to stop paying the ridiculous ULEZ charges for my few local journeys as soon as possible, as they will be ongoing. Surely I can at least reclassify the car in 2026.

[mgjalopy]

Were you able to reclassify it though Coopertaz, or could you not even do thatfor another 6 months?

[mab01uk]

I am honestly not bothered about the tax, MOT and insurance situation as that is paid annually. I just want to stop paying the ridiculous ULEZ charges for my few local journeys as soon as possible, as they will be ongoing. Surely I can at least reclassify the car in 2026.

 

By the time you get to 2026 we may well have a car hating Labour government in power again and the last time they got in, shortly after Gordon Brown in his first budget as Chancellor froze the previously 'rolling historic vehicle tax exemption 25 year date' introduced by the Tories, on their logic that only rich/wealthy people owned polluting classic cars....

 

Many years later when the Conservatives regained power they reinstated it at 40 years as a rolling date again .....

 

Gordon Brown also encouraged drivers with budget tax incentives to buy diesel cars to save the planet and we all know how that ended.....

Edited by mab01uk, 31 July 2023 - 11:45 AM.

[mab01uk]

Old cars are punctured by Brown's classic move.

 

29 March 1998

 

"THE FORMER Tory chancellor, Kenneth Clarke, became the patron saint of classic car drivers after exempting motor vehicles (including cars, lorries, buses and motorcycles) more than 25 years old from paying the annual road fund licence in his 1995 Budget.

Now Gordon Brown has made himself a candidate for a classic hate figure in the classic car movement. Tucked away in the small print of the Budget was a clause restricting the exemption in future to cars that were registered up to and including 1972.

 

Cars registered in 1973 that owners were hoping would qualify for tax exemption next January (cars, like racehorses, are deemed to have their birthdays on 1 January regardless of their actual date of production) will not now become exempt, dashing the hopes of tax-free motoring for an estimated 15,000 owners of 1973 cars still on the road. Each following year will add to the army of owners who will still have to pay if they want to keep their old cars on the road.

 

The new rules will save the revenue just over £2m, but the Chancellor's aim has little to do with revenue raising. The decision to stop the rolling exemption is intended to discourage drivers from keeping old cars on the road on the grounds that they pollute the environment, a claim that classic car owners vigorously dispute.

 

The new rules may persuade some owners to scrap cars that will no longer qualify for exemption from the road fund tax, and will have a significant impact on classic car prices. In time they will create a new category of "classic" cars reflecting their tax-exempt status. But the cut-off date will inevitably create anomalies. Several popular models, including the MGB and Midget and the Mark 3 Cortina were in production before and after the cut-off date, and models built in 1972 and earlier will now become considerably more desirable than identical models of the same vehicle constructed in and after 1973.

Car enthusiasts claim that the change is unnecessary because the leaded petrol used by most pre-1980s cars will be withdrawn from sale in 2000, and classic cars will then have to convert to lead-free fuel or use lead substitutes anyway."

https://www.independ...ve-1153159.html

Edited by mab01uk, 31 July 2023 - 11:44 AM.

[Matt Brighton]

Hi

 

I checked my 1970 Mini which is in the historic tax class on the V5c  -  and its exempt 

 

I then checked my 1982 VW camper which is also in the historic tax class on the V5c -  and it was not exempt

 

I tried to register it as others have done and the different page said it WAS exempt ???

 

Just to confirm the conflicting return from TFL on the same vehicle

 

Best !

 

matt - Brighton

[mgjalopy]

Has anyone changed the class of their 40 year old mini with the DVLA and still been charged? I'm just wondering how quickly the fact that a car has reached 40 years, and is therefore exempt happens.

Chris

[mab01uk]

Has anyone changed the class of their 40 year old mini with the DVLA and still been charged? I'm just wondering how quickly the fact that a car has reached 40 years, and is therefore exempt happens.

Chris

 

When you take the forms into the Post Office they scan the barcode on your V5c and give you a printed receipt for zero payment and your 'free' tax starting from the 1st of the month. A few days later the DVLA website shows your car as taxed.

Several weeks later you get the new 'Historic' tax class V5c in the post.

 

Download, print and:-

Fill out V112 MOT exemption form.

Fill out a V10 vehicle tax form.

V5c - fill out change of tax class to 'Historic' and sign/date.

(I suggest you keep photo-copies or scans of all documents before handing them over at PO)

 

Edited by mab01uk, 07 August 2023 - 03:35 PM.

[mgjalopy]

Actually it is the ULEZ charge I am more concerned about. My car reaches 40 in July of the relevant year, and I understand that I can't go tax free until April the following year, so will have to renew and pay the car tax as usual when it runs out at the end of the year. The ULEZ charge is going to cost me a fortune, so I want to stop being charged as soon as the car is 40. I believe I can change the log book as soon as it is 40. I was hoping someone could tell me if the ULEZ charge stops automatically when a car turns 40. Does the TFL system check the DVLA website every time it charges someone, in which case logically it should see that a car has been reclassified as historic. Am I just being hopeful here!!

[Quinlan minor]

Am I just being hopeful here!!

Yes, it does not change "automatically".

As above, you need to take the V5C to the Post Office and CHANGE the Taxation Class to 'Historic'.

If you dont, you'll continue paying VED(Road Tax) and ULEZ until the car dissolves in a pile of rust.

[beardylondon]

https://www.itv.com/...rom-ulez-charge