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#1 gutted

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Posted 16 June 2023 - 03:50 PM

Full disclosure - I have a Metro.  I hope it's ok to post about this here, and I'm hoping some A-series experts may be able to help... ?
 
The car has a running problem during winter.  I've owned 2 Metros prior, and currently own two (other one's a Turbo) - none of the other 3 Metros I've had (998, first Turbo, current Turbo) were THIS bad in the cold, so it must be possible to make this one better.  This one is my daily.
 
My car is bog standard apart (engine-wise) and has been maintained to within an inch of its life by me and by previous owners, judging by the extensive history.  It's done over 100k miles now.  It's had a new clutch and NOS box during my ownership - but it still pulls like a train.  It's a lovely car to drive _when it's warm_.  I had it rolling roaded a few months back; not for performance but just to make sure it's running properly.  The RR made it drive even better when warm.  It's now getting 67 BHP, I think; something like that.  Basically it's getting really close to whatever it was supposed to get from new.  The guy who did the RR also adjusted the float and carb needle - not sure exactly what he did, but took the dashpot off and measured something then adjusted something.  As a result, the idle is way smoother - it purrs!  He set up the timing, and adjusted the carb to get the best out of it.  It runs great but at the MOT it failed with high CO, so I had to knock it down a fraction (and I left it there - and when warm it still runs fine even after I brought it down a touch).
 
Shortly after the RR and before the MOT, we had a cold snap and it ran like **** again when cold.  Problem is that to get to the RR is a short motorway drive so it's fine by the time I get there.  Unless I park it up overnight in his yard and get it on the rollers first thing, then he won't be able to see the problem while it's happening.
 
The poor running always happens during the winter months, when it's really cold.  It sometimes happens when it's cold and damp, but cold is the key: it doesn't mind the rain/fog/mist/damp so long as it's not too cold - but if it's cold (regardless how damp or dry the air is) it'll misbehave.  Happens every winter without fail.
 
Symptoms are:
Low power - like it's only running on 3, but seems equally poor across all cylinders (removing any lead makes it worse - there's no specific lead/plug which is the problem).  Feels like the spark is generally weak across all plugs?
Misfiring - really poor acceleration, and extremely poor idle.
Black soot in the exhaust.  In fact black SMOKE out the exhaust if I'm really gunning it to try and force some power out of it to drive up a slight incline on the way to work.
Starting from cold, it needs choke - but giving it LESS choke doesn't improve things (and giving it MORE choke, up to max, doesn't seem to improve things either).
Happens not only with choke out but for maybe the first 20-25 mins of running (even after dash says it's at normal running temp, and I'm no longer on choke).
Improves slowly - the change from minute to minute isn't noticeable, but it's fine after maybe 20-25 mins of running.
 
What I've tried, without success:
It's always running E5/super - always has been since E10 was introduced (it's never run E10).
Air filter is cleaned every ~5k miles - normally a Unipart filter (I bought a bulk load of Unipart filter a few years ago)
Oil and filter changed every ~5k miles - normally use Millers pistoneeze classic.
Replaced air cleaner for a NOS one as I thought maybe the warm air diverter wasn't working.
Checked/renewed the duct between hot air stove and air cleaner.
New plugs (currently using NGK BPR6ES).  Plug gaps where checked and adjusted by the guy that did the RR.
New Unipart HT leads.
Dizzy cap (always Lucas)
Rotor arm (always Lucas)
Gone through several different ignition amps - Lucas, Unipart, Intermotor - each time using heat transfer paste between amp and dizzy body, but replacing the amp makes no difference.
Even changed the actual dizzy for a same model (NJT10002) from a low mileage donor.
Tried different coils - gold Lucas sport coil, currently running silver Lucas DLB198.
LT connections at coil are cleaned and I'm using dielectric grease to prevent moisture/corrosion.
Dashpot is topped up with Burlen dashpot oil.
Vacuum advance elbows are recent and I've checked that they're supple (not brittle - no cracks).
I thought it might be the fusible links - I unwrapped the loom to find them, but they're still sealed so I don't want to break the seal.  I'm assuming that if still sealed, then moisture/oxygen can't have got in.
Since last MOT I've been putting RedEx treatment through with each fuel refill (it's sometimes on offer at Lidl, so I always pick up a few bottles when I see it - each bottle does 1 tank, and I've put through 6 bottles so far, so the fuel system must be about as clean as RedEx can get it).
 
This is a bog standard 1275 engine, not the MG version.  12HE engine, unleaded from factory.  It didn't come with water heated inlet manifold, and I wondered if maybe I should consider getting one set up?  But the normal 1275 has a combined inlet and exhaust manifold, so I'd have thought the inlet would be heated by the exhaust?  Other than that I'm bang out of ideas.
 
Anyone got any suggestions?

 



#2 StefanMini

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Posted 16 June 2023 - 04:54 PM

It can be the black ignition module on the dizzy, they can fail after some years.
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Also when it's cold the carburettor can freeze. This happend at my Mini severall times during winter.

Edited by StefanMini, 16 June 2023 - 04:54 PM.


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Posted 16 June 2023 - 05:37 PM

Back in the day I had a nice MG Metro,

 

It ran OK once warm but would cut out at idle when cold. It took me ages to find the issue but it was the vacuum operated actuator on the flap in the air filter snorkel. The hook had become disengaged from the flap. Once refitted the car ran fine.

 

Cheers, Steve.



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Posted 16 June 2023 - 05:55 PM

It can be the black ignition module on the dizzy, they can fail after some years.

Also when it's cold the carburettor can freeze. This happend at my Mini severall times during winter.

 

Cheers, Stefan.  I've tried several ignition amps, with no success   I first tried swapping my OEM one with a known good Intermotor one, but that didn't improve things.  I then tried a NOS Lucas (I think) one - I swapped it while the problem was actually happening, but it made no difference.  I know that these things can be dead even when NOS, but I don't reckon I can be so unlucky to have 3 dead ones   Still I've got a couple more NOS ones, so will have to try another one when winter comes round again...

 

The carb or inlet freezing up was a thought, which is why I'm thinking maybe I should get a water heated inlet.  I gather that if the inlet gets below a certain temp, then the fuel can condense out onto the inlet wall and drip into the cylinders as a liquid rather than as vapour.  I imagine this would weaken the mixture (causing the lack of power?) and maybe is also the cause of the soot coming out of the exhaust?  Water heated manifold is one thing I've not yet tried - I've only held off because I don't want to change the look of the engine bay if I can help it...  MG manifolds would give me a water heated inlet, but then I'd have to move the hot air stove which means I'd then have to use the MG air cleaner.  Which then means I'd need to move/change the washer fluid reservoir.  And by then it's starting to get a bit hectic   I recently sourced a custom manifold that's been modified from the standard 1275 one to separate the exhaust from inlet.  So now I have a "standard" exhaust manifold rather than the MG type - and if I can find a suitable inlet manifold, then I might be able to plumb it in without moving the hot air stove - that would be a major win.  It might help; it might not.  Got to be worth a shot though.


Edited by gutted, 16 June 2023 - 06:07 PM.


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Posted 16 June 2023 - 05:58 PM

Back in the day I had a nice MG Metro,

 

It ran OK once warm but would cut out at idle when cold. It took me ages to find the issue but it was the vacuum operated actuator on the flap in the air filter snorkel. The hook had become disengaged from the flap. Once refitted the car ran fine.

 

Cheers, Steve.

 

Cheers, Steve.  Mine has a bimetallic strip (I think) rather than the MG setup.  I wondered whether that might be the problem, so I swapped the whole air cleaner assembly for a NOS one (I'm a bit of a hoarder and have some mad bits in the garage).  No improvement though   I think I've gone through 3x different air cleaners now - the one that was on there when I got the car had been hacked about a bit - someone had tried to force it open with a screwdriver, and it was a bit of a state so I got a decent used one.  And then I tried a NOS one - but no joy.






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