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[humph]

Hopefully the upcoming EV ved will also help weed

out the people who are driving EV’s for tax reasons rather than the claimed eco benefits. Yes, that’s those of you who don’t keep them long enough to offset the production co2 numbers.

 

 

Well that depends on your agenda, you can find an answer to suit whichever side of the ev fence that you sit on. There are lots of variables based around the manufacturers production methods, end users energy supply, usage. My understanding is that keeping an ev for less than three years isn’t good for anyone though, unless they can charge it with 100% renewable energy. 

Agree with PoolGuys second post here, the answer will depend on many variables to give a definitive answer.

 

With regards the tax savings I’m not sure very many private buyers buy an EV based on saving a bit of VED, there are too many ICE cars with low VED. Where there is a problem is with company car users taking hybrids for the tax benefits, but then never charging them and running them purely on petrol. Our company is full of them. And lets not start on the manufacturers sticking big petrol engines in cars and bolting a hybrid system to it for the tax benefits.

Edited by humph, 29 October 2024 - 01:56 PM.

[sonscar]

Don't lots of people rent their cars?Need a new one every three years?I worked once with people who coveted the new registration.Lots of reasons for buying/ renting a new car.Steve..

[mab01uk]

Crazy electric car quotas?

"Car makers are being forced to build thousands of electric vehicles that customers don't want – and they face large fines if they don't.

That's the strategy being pursued by the Government because of a green plan dreamed up by civil servants that could lead to a glut of expensive EVs. 

Further still, it could create a shortage of low-polluting, petrol-electric hybrids for which demand is booming, crash residual values and destroy what's left of UK car manufacturing as China moves in to mop up.

Ultimately, UK consumers will pay the price, along with motor industry workers and suppliers who face losing their jobs as factories are forced to close.

But don't take my word for it. Ask Labour peer and former trade union leader Lord Woodley of Wallasey, who has condemned the plan as 'political suicide'.

He should know. As a teenager, Tony Woodley began his automotive career at Vauxhall's Ellesmere Port plant in Merseyside.

When I first met him in the mid-1990s, he was the hard-nosed but highly respected chief motor industry negotiator for the giant Transport and General Workers' Union (TGWU), before becoming its general secretary from 2004 and joint general secretary of the Unite union from 2007 to 2011.

Like industry bosses, he has stressed that moving towards an electric future is right – but what is wrong is the unsustainable timetable and draconian fines."

RAY MASSEY: How I wish they'd scrap crazy electric car quotas:-

https://www.thisismo...car-quotas.html

 

How does the ZEV mandate work?
"The ZEV mandate has a headline target of 22 per cent BEV (Battery Electric Vehicle) sales for each car maker. This will rise incrementally to 100 per cent in 2035.
Manufacturers face hefty fines of £15,000 for each car sold outside the target.
With the new Labour government bringing forward the ban on new petrol and diesel cars to 2030, the ZEV mandate may shift even closer.
However, the mandate works on a credit-based system where manufacturers are awarded or stripped of credits if they overperform or underperform on these targets."

Annual ZEV Mandate targets to 2030
2024: 22% (10% for vans)
2025: 28% (16% for vans)
2026: 33% (24% for vans)
2027: 38% (34% for vans)
2028: 52% (46% for vans)
2029: 66% (58% for vans)
2030: 80% (70% for vans)
Source: DfT

 

Edited by mab01uk, 09 November 2024 - 10:40 AM.

[Shooter63]

Adverts for this started popping up on my LinkedIn feed last week, it's the new Sprinter which is pretty much the go to van for a lot of delivery companies, but no this is the new ESprinter in long range mode which means I can actually get further than the end of the depot road before needing a charge up when full of parcels. You would think that said companies would jump at the chance of doing their bit for the environment, but as ever with EV's or so it seems there is a snag, the poxy thing weighs so much with the long range batteries that you need an LGV license to drive it.

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[sonscar]

I thought the limit for electric vans was raised over the 3.5t to address this license problem?Steve,

[humph]

I thought the limit for electric vans was raised over the 3.5t to address this license problem?Steve,

 

 

"In 2018, the UK secured a derogation from the European Commission which allowed category B licence holders to drive alternatively-fuelled goods vans with a maximum authorised mass (MAM) of 4,250 kilograms (kg), over the standard 3,500kg entitlement."

 

https://www.gov.uk/g...uelled-vehicles

 

https://www.legislat...20180784_en.pdf

 

Outcome of the above consultation and proposals below.

 

https://www.gov.uk/g...uelled-vehicles

 

 

 

 

Edited by humph, 18 November 2024 - 09:09 AM.

[PoolGuy]

 

I thought the limit for electric vans was raised over the 3.5t to address this license problem?Steve,

 

 

"In 2018, the UK secured a derogation from the European Commission which allowed category B licence holders to drive alternatively-fuelled goods vans with a maximum authorised mass (MAM) of 4,250 kilograms (kg), over the standard 3,500kg entitlement."

 

 

 

 

That's what you call desperation. 

[Shooter63]

I thought the limit for electric vans was raised over the 3.5t to address this license problem?Steve,

Apparently it's gross weight is 4.35 tonne which falls outside the limit, I did check a few what I would call legit sites rather than the sensationist ones.

Shooter