Speeding Along Now
Posted 04 October 2022 - 01:17 PM
Has anyone very recently informed DVLA of a change / increase to the engine size on a tax exempt car (using the same engine type)? Reading the issues over the electric conversion and the need for an IVA does the advice given by mab01 in this thread still apply - https://www.theminif...engine-number/ ?
Ie. that for tax exempt cars there is no need to provide evidence to support an engine change notification?
Edited by Haynes, 04 October 2022 - 01:17 PM.
Up Into Fourth
Posted 04 October 2022 - 01:25 PM
I must strongly advise against doing any of the following:-
Removing the engine number.
Not telling any authority anything.
Swearing blind that your late uncle did all your repairs.
One Carb Or Two?
Posted 04 October 2022 - 01:32 PM
Are you planning to tell your insurance company?
Speeding Along Now
Posted 04 October 2022 - 02:26 PM
Yes planning to tell insurance and DVLA.
My question is, is it still the case that for tax exempt cars there is no need to provide evidence to support an engine change notification, do you just fill out the log book with new CC and engine number and send it off? Has anyone had recent experinces with the DVLA that indicate otherwise and been asked for headed letter from the engine supplier?
Below are the comments I intended to refer to, taken from the previous thread, does this still hold true:
Changes To Engine Details For Historic Vehicles (DVLA)
This change came in to force in 2011 and applies to all tax-exempt Mini's and classic cars (was pre-1973 and now 40 year rolling each year) and has been agreed due to the potential difficulties in providing supporting evidence/documentation for old/scrap replacement engines for historic/classic cars and also due to the fact that they are not taxed based on engine size/capacity in any case:
Changes to engine details for historic vehicles
DVLA confirmed that this policy has been reviewed and that it will no longer be necessary for keepers of vehicles in the Historic class – date of manufacture before 1 Jan 1973 (now 40 year rolling) – to provide evidence to support an engine change notification. (18/02/2011)
"ACE wanted further clarification on the use of the word ‘Minor’ and went back to DVLA.
We were pleased to receive this reply:-
"The word 'minor' is used in the context that the Federation considered that a change of engine was a small alteration to a classic vehicle.
The requirement for documentary evidence for an engine change was introduced because of concerns expressed by VOSA when assessing kit conversions .
After further consideration it has been agreed with VOSA that Historic vehicles were unlikely to be a source of these concerns and we were therefore able to review the policy.
Documentary evidence to support an engine change for any Historic vehicles will no longer be required irrespective of the cc’s."
ACE thank the FHBVC for gaining this valuable exemption."
Moved Into The Garage
Posted 04 October 2022 - 05:27 PM
No change to this policy has been announced that I am aware of. If you want confirmation then best to contact the FBHVC who gained the exemption from the DVLA in 2011.
Personally I would not inform the DVLA anything as the engine size is of little interest to them unless it is used for vehicle tax calculation which it is not in your case. However if you wish to open a possible can of worms with someone on the other end of a phone or email who might not be up to speed with the Historic car rules and explaining to them the fact that you still have an A-Series engine it is up to you. If you do I would contact the FBHVC first and get them to confirm in writing the exemption is still current and correct....(also let TMF members know with an update.)
You can and should of course still inform your insurance company......a capacity/same engine change of that type on a specialist classic car policy is unlikely to have much effect on the cost, unless you are a young and inexperienced driver, etc.
Federation of British Historic Vehicle Clubs:-
https://www.fbhvc.co.uk/contact-us
Edited by mab01uk, 04 October 2022 - 05:49 PM.
Up Into Fourth
Posted 08 October 2022 - 08:49 AM
No change to this policy has been announced that I am aware of. If you want confirmation then best to contact the FBHVC who gained the exemption from the DVLA in 2011.
Personally I would not inform the DVLA anything as the engine size is of little interest to them unless it is used for vehicle tax calculation which it is not in your case. However if you wish to open a possible can of worms with someone on the other end of a phone or email who might not be up to speed with the Historic car rules and explaining to them the fact that you still have an A-Series engine it is up to you. If you do I would contact the FBHVC first and get them to confirm in writing the exemption is still current and correct....(also let TMF members know with an update.)
You can and should of course still inform your insurance company......a capacity/same engine change of that type on a specialist classic car policy is unlikely to have much effect on the cost, unless you are a young and inexperienced driver, etc.
Federation of British Historic Vehicle Clubs:-
This ^
Not sure what's happened to the DVLA recently, but it seems that a cadre of incompetent employees have arrived that do not understand the concepts of these regs. I'm about to swap out the very tired 998cc in the Van to a 1293 MPi engine and will only be informing my insurance of the change. My fear is that if i tell the DVLA, it'll end up on a irreversible Q plate decision.
Speeding Along Now
Posted 08 October 2022 - 08:04 PM
Up Into Fourth
Posted 08 October 2022 - 08:10 PM
What year is your van?
I'm hoping to hear from people who have recently registered a cc change...
Built 79, registered 80.
Mini Mad
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