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[Vanman20]

I'm going to switch to E5 super unleaded,might even see a small improvement in performance

[Maccmike8]

Yeah Il go Super too. For the small amount of mileage Il do it wont hit me too hard.

[ACDodd]

Depending on the compression ratio and cam combination you can actually work out to be better off using the more expensive fuel.

Ac

[unburntfuelinthemorning]

Even my lawn mower prefers Esso super unleaded.  Stopped popping and spluttering when I switched to it. 

[bpirie1000]

Well my tank of petrol has lasted since 2007.

Not been anywhere right enough... but great i probably have a tank of syrip now..

[richmondclassicsnorthwales]

Fiat actually made a car to run on pure Ethanol - that's I suppose where it all went (stit pu) - read it backwards

 

So with that in mind, the world looked on and thought, what a great way to screw motorists, get them to pay full rate and put 10% shyte in it, more for us fuel companies

 

It may ease carbon emissions, but it does not help the classic car

 

E10      It absorbs water, that's the damaging part, and water and aluminium - we all know what happens there

 

Also contains sugar particles, we know what sugar does too, apart from make people fat !!!

 

You are as Moke says, paying for cat ssip, and that in a nut shell is what it is

 

Just got to try and up our game, Governments don't give a flying kcuf, - less free road tax for historic vehicles because they can kcuf them up

 

Gets all petrol cars off the road, enabling them to push electric through and through

 

Stay one step ahead...................................

[Spider]

I'm pretty sure running engines on pure, or new that, Ethanol isn't new. I'm not sure when that Fiat engine was done and run ??? however, it's been used in Drag Cars going back at least to the 60's.

 

In the closing days of WWII the Japanese had such little Oil left that they couldn't afford to use it as fuel, so for their Mitsubishi Zeros, they were stripping whole mountains of bamboo and making fuel from that, which I'd guess would be similar to Ethanol.

 

If the Car is designed from the outset to run on a particular fuel, then sure, that's gotta be a good thing. Our Cars, from start to end were never designed for Ethanol or Ethanol Blends.

 

To run an IC Engine on straight Ethanol, the fuel / air mixture is around the 5:1 mark (from memory) and it doesn't return anywhere near the same MPG, so a tank of fuel won't take you far.

[richmondclassicsnorthwales]

Interesting

 

I wonder why they don't tell us what methods they use to get the Ethanol. I do believe Moke your right on the Bamboo,  it is this I understand where it comes from.

 

Can't see someone with a hand saw taking it down ??

 

If I remember it was in the early 70's when the Italians tried it, I suppose a method for something else when the Suez crisis was about

 

With regards to running IC Engines on the gear, as you say, if it is designed to run with it, all fair enough, but again, no they are not

 

Closing words on the matter

 

Poor Pandas !!!!

[Spider]

I wonder why they don't tell us what methods they use to get the Ethanol.

 

As in where it comes from ?

I don't know if it's universal around the World, but the cat's pee they use here to blend with the real stuff they make from Sugar Cane.

 

Sorry, I'm gunna drift a little off topic, but it's all related.

 

The boffins somewhere worked out that if around 80%+ petrol users here in Australia took up with E10 (we don't have E5 here), our stocks of Sugar and the Cane that it comes from would be depleted in something like 6 months, so, on that front, without imports, it's hardly sustainable for use to use it in any quantity.

 

The other aspect of us here in Australia using Ethanol, that comes from Sugar Cane is we are the driest Continent on Earth, we don't have enough rainfall to support our ever growing population, so we all have water restrictions and Desalination Plants,,,, all this while we are effectively burning a good bit of our (rain) water in our cars,,,, makes perfect sense (not).  It really send me in to orbit,,,
 

[Dusky]

I wonder why they don't tell us what methods they use to get the Ethanol.

As in where it comes from ?

I don't know if it's universal around the World, but the cat's pee they use here to blend with the real stuff they make from Sugar Cane.

Sorry, I'm gunna drift a little off topic, but it's all related.

The boffins somewhere worked out that if around 80%+ petrol users here in Australia took up with E10 (we don't have E5 here), our stocks of Sugar and the Cane that it comes from would be depleted in something like 6 months, so, on that front, without imports, it's hardly sustainable for use to use it in any quantity.

The other aspect of us here in Australia using Ethanol, that comes from Sugar Cane is we are the driest Continent on Earth, we don't have enough rainfall to support our ever growing population, so we all have water restrictions and Desalination Plants,,,, all this while we are effectively burning a good bit of our (rain) water in our cars,,,, makes perfect sense (not). It really send me in to orbit,,,

That's environmental logic. Import sugar cane with big diesel containers ships to use for alcohol in cars. Like burning gas and coal to charge a Tesla.. :)

[richmondclassicsnorthwales]

Bonkers isn't it !!!!!

[Spider]

I believe it corrodes the metal fuel lines and also the float bowl on the Carb.

 

It's cat's pee.

 

Here's an experiment I'd encourage the guys who are thinking of going over to E10 carry out.

 

Put some in a seal jar for a few weeks, check on it daily and perhaps even take photos each day to track what's happening.

 

Not my experiment, but this is E10 after 20 days.

It might be fine in a newer car that's driven daily, but in our Classics that may stand for a few weeks at a time, it's not so good. Remember too, the fuel pick up in your fuel tank is at the bottom.

 

 

[Mito]

That's quite a poorly designed experiment. Where's the E5 and no ethanol fuel for comparison?

[PoolGuy]

Thanks for that Spider, my van will be sitting for a few days this week, so I’ll check the Filter King bowl in a few days.

[Spider]

That's quite a poorly designed experiment. Where's the E5 and no ethanol fuel for comparison?

 

 

Here's an experiment I'd encourage the guys who are thinking of going over to E10 carry out.

 

While this was not about E5 and 'standard' fuels, maybe include those tests in your experiment and post up the results here.