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[johnv]

I'm missung your point I think Nick. The standard starter motor has 9 teeth and works. The power lite one has 11 and doesn't work. Therefore I deduce that the power lite starter is not the same as the standard one, regardless of the engine build?

[nicklouse]

I'm missung your point I think Nick. The standard starter motor has 9 teeth and works. The power lite one has 11 and doesn't work. Therefore I deduce that the power lite starter is not the same as the standard one, regardless of the engine build?

Nope yours is not standard. The supplied one is correct for a standard Verto build.

[johnv]

The 9 tooth one is from a standard verto build, and it works

[nicklouse]

The 9 tooth one is from a standard verto build, and it works

John there was NEVER a standard 9 tooth Verto build. 
 

have you counted the teeth on the flywheel yet?

[johnv]

 

The 9 tooth one is from a standard verto build, and it works

John there was NEVER a standard 9 tooth Verto build. 
 

have you counted the teeth on the flywheel yet?

 

 

no .. far too hard with everything inc. servos all in and bolted up! .. I was trying to work out the problem without doing that. Maybe I counted them wrong on the starter but you can see from the pics they're different

[imack]

You need to count the ring gear teeth, I think you've got an inertia ring gear fitted.

[imack]

You should be able to count the teeth via the starter motor hole.
Mark a tooth with paint or tipex, put the car in top gear and push or pull the car to rotate the engine and count the teeth

Edited by imack, 28 March 2021 - 04:00 PM.

[johnv]

You need to count the ring gear teeth, I think you've got an inertia ring gear fitted.

 

I haven't .. I started off thinking that but when I was testing it on the bench for oil pressure etc and the inertia motor wouldn't turn I asked the chap I bought the flywheel off and he confirmed that it was pre-engaged. I then put a standard pre-engaged starter motor on it at it all worked fine, perfect.

 

If the standard pre-engaged starter works perfectly and the new one doesn't it's not a direct replacement is it? I can't see past that.

Edited by johnv, 28 March 2021 - 04:06 PM.

[GraemeC]

All standard Mini starters, both inertia and pre-engaged, had 9 tooth pinions.

AC has cleared this up in the past.

 

The high torque starters for use with a 129 tooth ring gear use 11 tooth pinions.

[johnv]

All standard Mini starters, both inertia and pre-engaged, had 9 tooth pinions.

AC has cleared this up in the past.

 

The high torque starters for use with a 129 tooth ring gear use 11 tooth pinions.

how many teeth has a standard flywheel got Graeme? How many has mine got?

[GraemeC]

A flywheel that uses an inertia starter has 107, one needing a pre-engaged has 129.

Your flywheel should have 129 - I’ve only ever used pre-engaged starters and wouldn’t have bought any other type of flywheel.

 

I have used both ‘standard’ and high torque starters with that flywheel, in fact I still have the high torque one I used with it on the shelf and it has 11 teeth.

[johnv]

A flywheel that uses an inertia starter has 107, one needing a pre-engaged has 129.

Your flywheel should have 129 - I’ve only ever used pre-engaged starters and wouldn’t have bought any other type of flywheel.

 

I have used both ‘standard’ and high torque starters with that flywheel, in fact I still have the high torque one I used with it on the shelf and it has 11 teeth.

well the power lite one doesn’t work . The standard one does. So back to square one. I’m buggered then, £300 down the drain, short of getting minispares down here while I swap them round and prove it there’s nothing I can do.

Does the comparison photo I put up look right?

Edited by johnv, 28 March 2021 - 05:25 PM.

[GraemeC]

Powerlite are good with after sales - if you send it to them they will test it and repair or replace if it’s faulty

[johnv]

OK.  
people, look at the comparison pic I posted, the teeth are clearly different, how is this explained? They’re both mini pre-engaged starter motors.

Apparently.

Edited by johnv, 28 March 2021 - 05:35 PM.

[GraemeC]

The teeth are different - they have to be when the standard starter has 9 and the Powerlite 11