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[topcat]

Hello, I'm putting the MG metro engine in this weekend (Hopefully) and I'm trying to work out how to fit this oil cooler which I beleive is from a metro turbo

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onto this engine

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Whats the easiest way of doing this and will I have to make custom brackets to mount it?
Will I need a thermostat? Can I fit a thermostat easily at another time?

Also it looks like it might be a bit tight trying to change the oil filter when its in the car. Subframe might be a bit close.

Thanks

Edited by topcat, 11 October 2006 - 11:30 AM.

[Big_Adam]

yeah. i think you could use that oil cooler. just get some braided pipes would be the easyest thing to do. i mean if i were you i'd try it.

also. what have you done to the engine to warrent an oil cooler. i heard a while back that you can do more harm than good using an oil cooler on a standard engine.

if you done some stuff to the engine then its needed a little more.

[topcat]

well being a MG metro I thought it might need one? Also the Head is modded apparently. I assume the cooler as in the photo has the right ends on the pipes an it just replaces the oil pipe that is painted red on the engine?

The two pipes coming off the oil filter housing; do you plumb the water cooling system onto those? Do I need to do this? Could I just do that and leave the oil cooler out? Thanks

[Big_Adam]

the thing on the oil filter is for the oil cooler.

its a little bypass thing. to run oil into the cooler. Don't quote me on that. wait for someone smarter to turn up.

oh here the thread about oil coolers from a few weeks back.

http://www.theminifo...p;hl=oil cooler

edit.

right the thing on the oil fiter IS and oil to water cooler. if you have that then you don't need an oil cooler as far as i can see. just found it on page 424 of the vizard book.

quote from picture
"shown here is the oil to water heat exchanger used on the MG metro. the unit is positioned between the oil filter housing and the oild filter and is mounted with the longer stud type filter..."

edit again,

also from looking at the oil cooler you have it fits between the filter and the block so it would replace the oil pipe painted red. but you have the heat exchanger ... ... so i can't see the point unless your going for alot more power. i mean if oil temp worries you plumb in an oild temp gauge. Then you can see if you oil needs it. but with winter coming you prob won't for now.

Edited by Big_Adam, 11 October 2006 - 12:21 PM.

[topcat]

awesome thanks alot for that! Should really get my own copy of vizzards book, borrowed it once and it was awesome.

Yer I think I will get a oil temp gauge soon. Thanks

So does anyone know where in the cooling system to plumb the heat exchange thing in?

Edited by topcat, 11 October 2006 - 12:23 PM.

[miniboo]

thats 2 oil coolers you have there!!

i would say get rid of the water jobby which may mean you need a new filter housing(I have one going spare).

Then get a thermostat for the other oil cooler an plumb it in. the braided pipes will replace the solid metal pipe, obviosly with the oil cooler in between

[Big_Adam]

from the what i can see the oil heat transfer thing go's on the heater houses. as their small fittings.

as for the vizard book. Yeah get it. i did a mod to my carb in there now it picks up so much better. well now i got an AAA needle too.

think its around £14 odd from amazon. its a big ol' tome of a book too. it exsplanes well everything buts it for the a-series engine so it does not go into gearboxes or anything like that. which i was exspecting. but the detail of it. its normaly exsplanes in a few chapters 1st exsplain what and how somthing effect proformace then on the next chapter how to get more from that part. Carbs for exsaple is about 3 or 4 chapters long.

good book.

[topcat]

I would rather just plumb in the heat exchange thing on the filter housing as I can see it could be tricky finding room for the oil filter as its an awkward shape. Plus surely I would need a bypass if I had an inline thermostat between the filter and block?

[miniboo]

have a look at minis84 thread on how the thermostat thing fits. i dont think that the water cooled oil cooler is very effective in all hoesty

[Big_Adam]

i think you sort of plumb this in for an oil cooler.

http://www.minispare....aspx?pid=35270

it changes flow direction either back to the engine (it gose on the pipe from the filter to the engine) or when hot enought to the cooler.

edit

this thread miniboo

http://www.theminifo...x...mostat&st=0

Edited by Big_Adam, 11 October 2006 - 12:35 PM.

[topcat]

Yer I saw that thread earlier, the clubby looks awesome! Will have to give it a good read through later, got to go into Uni now. Thanks all for the help. Still not sure what I'll do but its cleared a few things up.

[Jammy]

You don't need either of those things, they are just complicating things.

If your oil can't reach the correct operating temperature it will do just as much damage as if it was too hot.

Leave them off.

[Big_Adam]

yeah jammy_basturd's got a point. i was reading the vizard book again and it say that the oil to water cooler was used on the metro turbo engines. which is when you more want one as the oil is used to feed the turbo oil system too.

edit.

on that 2nd pic topcat....the hole below and to the right of the banjo fitting for the oil pipe. isn't that for a turbo oil feed?

Edited by Big_Adam, 11 October 2006 - 01:08 PM.

[Jammy]

No, thats the oil pressure sender hole.

The turbo block is no different to any other 1275 block.

[taffy1967]

But original Mini Cooper S ran with oil coolers didn't they and so did the 1990 Rover Mini Cooper RSP LE (which used the MG Metro engine including the HIF44 carb too)?

But my 1990 Mainstream Mini Cooper didn't get the oil cooler (it was available as an extra's option) and my engine's never suffered as a result, so I guess it's unnessesary for a road car?