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[bluemini17]

Hi folks,

 

When running a lowered mini (migla etc) I have heard of folk using balljoint droppers / spacers to bring the roll centre back to near factory.

 

see pic:

 

 

Has anyone had any experience of these http://www.minispare...om-ball-joints/

 

They appear to be the spacer and also an integrated ball joint that does not need shimming (similar to metro ball joints). My main concern is the lack of grease nipple and their durability?

 

see pic:

 

 

All thoughts welcome

 

Dave

 

[nicklouse]

so instead of changing worn out ball joint  you will need to buy a set of ball joints and a set of these.

 

last time they appeared for Minisport i think the general consensus was it was a way to get more money out of people.

 

and you need to be very low to need them.

[bluemini17]

so instead of changing worn out ball joint  you will need to buy a set of ball joints and a set of these.

 

last time they appeared for Minisport i think the general consensus was it was a way to get more money out of people.

 

and you need to be very low to need them.

 

Disregarding the money factor , was there any feedback on the product itself?

 

Yes, if the lower ball joint were to wear then a whole 'unit' would need bought.

 

I have measured my bump steer and will need to adjust it, I am running a honda engine so the problems are accentuated

 

My thoughts are -

 

a)buy the spacers and then install 'normal' ball joints

 

 

 

 

or b) buy the 'unit' that incorporates the spacer and balljoint

 

 

Has anyone experience with either product / option?

 

Kind regards, Dave

[nicklouse]

they will do nothing for the bump steer. for that you will need to move the point that the pivot is on the steering arm.

[panky]

No experience of them but wouldn't you use the original grease nipple and pump enough grease in so it gets down to the other end?

[bluemini17]

they will do nothing for the bump steer. for that you will need to move the point that the pivot is on the steering arm.

Genius!

 

Some sort of spacer between the hub and the steering arm perhaps?

 

What are your thoughts on the roll centre topic, is it a case of stiffer springs or is it negligible and I should forget it?

 

Thanks, dave

[nicklouse]

no idea about the Minisport/huddersfield ones but the Mondo/Owens etc  spacers then yes you do. (note Owens do two different height ones).

 

I have not yet got around to working out what the Mondo ones have actually changed.

[nicklouse]

 

they will do nothing for the bump steer. for that you will need to move the point that the pivot is on the steering arm.

Genius!

 

Some sort of spacer between the hub and the steering arm perhaps?

 

What are your thoughts on the roll centre topic, is it a case of stiffer springs or is it negligible and I should forget it?

 

Thanks, dave

 

drill out the steering arm to remove the taper fit 1/2 bolt and rose joint on rack shim to suit. or buy suitable arm from Mondo or Owens and shim to suit etc.

 

have you watch project Binky on Youtube. they have a similar issue.

[bluemini17]

great info, thanks.

 

Yes, I watched it a while ago. Will head back over to re-watch.

 

All the best, Dave

[tiger99]

I would not consider these for road use as there is a very obvious safety problem due to the vastly increased bending load imposed on the threaded portion of the hub. It may be ok for low mileage competition use, but for high mileage road use there is a very serious risk of fatigue failure.

[Spider]

I would not consider these for road use as there is a very obvious safety problem due to the vastly increased bending load imposed on the threaded portion of the hub. It may be ok for low mileage competition use, but for high mileage road use there is a very serious risk of fatigue failure.

 

That's fair enough to raise this as a potential safety issue / concern, however, in respect of the hub, there's no problem in that regards from moving the ball centre further out or break of the threads etc.

 

The Big Wheel Mokes load the way way more than these do and that's how they were built from the factory.

[Pete649]

There is currently a thread about this very matter on the 16v Mini Club Forums

 

http://www.16vminicl...ead.php?t=37749

[nicklouse]

There is currently a thread about this very matter on the 16v Mini Club Forums

 

http://www.16vminicl...ead.php?t=37749

and they cant even use the correct bolt for the tie bar to bottom arm fixing let alone fit it the right way. 

 

none service part. even less reason to by them. and what is the point of that insert ? what does it do?

[grizzler73]

CHV do a steering arm rose joint conversation that you can use to help eliminate your bump steer, it is for Formula Ford Alford & Adler uprights (Herald), which are the same taper as Mini I believe.

[grizzler73]

CHV do a steering arm rose joint conversation that you can use to help eliminate your bump steer, it is for Formula Ford Alford & Adler uprights (Herald), which are the same taper as Mini I believe.