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[HUBBA.HUBBA]

Can anyone tell me which end on the line is metric and which is imperial?

Bummer ! But glad you found this the way you did.

The Threads in those 'regulators' are M10 x 1.0. I'd say that the fitting on your Brake Line was 3/8" UNF.

I've tried the brass fittings a while back and I gotta say, I'm not crazy about them at all.

Well I've just measured both ends and both threads are 3/8. The brake kit from minispares says its metric at one end. All I can think is when I took the brake lines to my local garage to get shorted, they must have put the wrong fitting on. Think I'll buy a flaring kit next time

Edited by HUBBA.HUBBA, 23 June 2019 - 04:20 PM.

[Spider]

Yeah, easy for someone to mix up.

 

I read Itsaminithing's post re: the Nick in the fitting, but none of the M10 fittings I've bought in recent years have had that.

 

The 3/8" UNF Fittings will screw in to the M10 holes, they are a little loose and with a pipe in them, very hard to pick it's not right. But the M10 Fittings are just that much bigger that they won't go in to a 3/8" UNF Hole.

 

They are a Trap.

[Itsaminithing]

.... when I took the brake lines to my local garage to get shorted, they must have put the wrong fitting on. Think I'll buy a flaring kit next time

 

Then the garage should sort it out.... their mistake, they ought to put it right.

Just think what might have happened if it had let go when it was put back on the road or at speed.

 

 

Yeah, easy for someone to mix up.

 

I read Itsaminithing's post re: the Nick in the fitting, but none of the M10 fittings I've bought in recent years have had that.

 

The 3/8" UNF Fittings will screw in to the M10 holes, they are a little loose and with a pipe in them, very hard to pick it's not right. But the M10 Fittings are just that much bigger that they won't go in to a 3/8" UNF Hole.

 

They are a Trap.

As i stated the SAE metric thread connectors normally have a nick to differentiate them from the SAE UNF thread connectors (to me it seems like a damned daft idea changing from UNF thread to the M10 metric thread -but only on some connectors on the car).

 

No nick? ....are you buying cheap connectors

I hope your not buying DIN M10 metric thread connectors?

http://www.fedhillus...mon flares6.pdf

[Spider]

 

.... when I took the brake lines to my local garage to get shorted, they must have put the wrong fitting on. Think I'll buy a flaring kit next time

 

Then the garage should sort it out.... their mistake, they ought to put it right.

Just think what might have happened if it had let go when it was put back on the road or at speed.

 

 

Yeah, easy for someone to mix up.

 

I read Itsaminithing's post re: the Nick in the fitting, but none of the M10 fittings I've bought in recent years have had that.

 

The 3/8" UNF Fittings will screw in to the M10 holes, they are a little loose and with a pipe in them, very hard to pick it's not right. But the M10 Fittings are just that much bigger that they won't go in to a 3/8" UNF Hole.

 

They are a Trap.

As i stated the SAE metric thread connectors normally have a nick to differentiate them from the SAE UNF thread connectors (to me it seems like a damned daft idea changing from UNF thread to the M10 metric thread -but only on some connectors on the car).

 

No nick? ....are you buying cheap connectors

I hope your not buying DIN M10 metric thread connectors?

http://www.fedhillus...mon flares6.pdf

 

 

Cheers but no, not cheap fittings and not DIN standard either !

 

The Factory M10 fittings weren't marked in any way either (not the ones they used in our local factory). These were slightly shorter than the 3/8" fittings and had a 10 mm AF hex.

 

If I remember, I'll dig some out and post up some photos.

 

I agree, it would be nice if they were all made to a similar standard and readily identifiable, but, some (many ?) are not.

[Itsaminithing]

Chris -I should have stated the brass aftermarket SAE metric thread connectors normally have a nick on the hex.

From memory i think your right about the factory connectors not having this identifier.

[Spider]

Chris -I should have stated the brass aftermarket SAE metric thread connectors normally have a nick on the hex.

From memory i think your right about the factory connectors not having this identifier.

 

Ah - OK,,,,

The fittings I've been buying are plated steel types.

[Ethel]

I think the problem was Minis were already out there with UNF lines. Also components, like the much loved FAM7821, were used on other models that were all Metric. It was probably judged simpler and safer overall to leave the existing components as they'd always been.

 

As Spider said, you might not notice replacing a UNF wheel cylinder with a metric one.

[HUBBA.HUBBA]

Phewww, David manners had just one left on the shelf. Note the nick at one end.  20190624_155229_resized.jpg   22.17K   1 downloads
I now know what I'm doing tonight. Going on the RR at vmax on Thursday. So brakes would be good.

[HUBBA.HUBBA]

Well that didnt work. The brake limiter valve is threaded too!! David Manners don't have any, so I might as well tap the threads see it that works. Ordered M10 1.0 taps (yes Nick - tapered and bottom  ) and a Die to clean up the new fitting from amazon prime so will arrive tomorrow.

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Guess I wont be using this tonight.

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Edited by HUBBA.HUBBA, 24 June 2019 - 06:48 PM.

[HUBBA.HUBBA]

Got some 3mm spacers for the rear ( I'll let you guess why by looking at the pictures). They were no good by the way.

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Had to do this in the end

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[HUBBA.HUBBA]

A couple of pictures from when I was tinkering in the sun. I chopped up the old roof to shape into a bikini top. Really please how it turned out.

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This is the max height at the rear. It actually goes higher that my wife evoque.

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Having things this exposed makes it very easy to work on. To get underneath the car I just raise it up, brilliant!

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Interior shot, just need to sort out a desert rat style glove box.

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Torquing the head up and fluids change ready for the RR

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[HUBBA.HUBBA]

Brakes all sorted, took the new line (which got carved up too) to the garage that shorted them before. Put new fitting on and tapped the valve. All bled. put the valves at a bit of an angle as the pipe is very close to the subframe turret .

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[Ethel]

Looks like it could trap a bit of air. Fortunately, you've now got the means of levelling it if it ever needs bleeding!

[HUBBA.HUBBA]

Looks like it could trap a bit of air. Fortunately, you've now got the means of levelling it if it ever needs bleeding!

tbd I can just undo the nut and turn in level, just a bit close to the subframe to look neat

[KTS]

..ammo box for the glove box surely ?