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#16 tiger99

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Posted 15 October 2016 - 11:57 PM

That would have been a much later model of Passat, with altogether better structure, like all modern cars. The fairly worthless NCAP did not exist when the plastic tank was introduced.

 

I say that NCAP is fairly useless because they only do one crash test and it is well established that even under laboratory conditions you never get the same crumpling each time. I was doing some work for TRRL at the time, and found out quite a lot of interesting stuff, like Volvo having one of the worst steering wheels in the business at that time while the best was the MG Metro. (Might have been the ONLY safe feature of the Metro!) The Type Approval test at that time required passing one frontal impact test, so Honda tested the early Civics about 160 times and got one that scraped a pass, which was all that was required. That was because no two impacts were the same, as I said. So I never would buy an early Civic.

 

The sad thing was that they were also crashing lots of moderately old Minis for an experiment. I don't know how many they wiped out, but it might have been about 100. The Mini was selected only because they could get large numbers of used ones cheaper than any other car at that time, around 1986 I think.



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Posted 16 October 2016 - 08:51 AM

So without this going too far off track exactly which model of Passat are you talking about. Like most cars there are many many models over the years. Designation of model here rather than year will clarify exactly which car you would never buy.

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Posted 16 October 2016 - 08:57 AM

It was an early one, maybe around 1988. I think it was the first. There are probably very few left anyway.

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Posted 16 October 2016 - 12:25 PM

Its funny car today are ment to be green.
If they really want environement friendly cars they should put a modern engine in an old car. And lose all the park assist/lane control and other (in my opinion) bs thats in modern cars.
Imagine how little fuel a Mini would use if they d use a light aluminium engine with a normal head, tuned for economy on a 5-6 Speed box.

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Posted 17 October 2016 - 11:58 AM

Well, do it then. Set up a build thread. We all love to see projects just like that.

Which engine woukd you choose?

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Posted 17 October 2016 - 07:29 PM

Well, do it then. Set up a build thread. We all love to see projects just like that.

Which engine woukd you choose?

Fiat.
Already have the parts. But I could never get in on the road in Belgium. Cant even fit braided brake hoses or discs to a drum braked car ( so cant fit discs to an old Mini for example).
One must Love our gouvernement.

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Posted 17 October 2016 - 08:23 PM

I think too some of the new cars have an alloyed steel rather than the mild steels used in our cars. I think the steel used in the newer cars is similar to the steel used in Z and C section purlins as used in the building industry. It seems to be a tensile steel. Anyone here ever tried to drill it? It does drill, but takes a fair bit more 'grunt' to do so than ordinary sheet steel.

 

I suspect too, this may also be part of the reason why smash shops no longer 'panel beat', but replace panels.

 

 

Our Mokes are imperial in steel thickness, just ordinary mild steel (until the last of them) but near enough 1.0 and 1.2 mm sheet, with a few 2.0 mm sections here are there.

 

Its all about the crumple zones!.

 

On test, in the UK's Crash Lab, which has been in operation since not long after WWII, the Aust built Moke is THE only vehicle tested, that could be pushed away on it's own wheels, following the frontal test.

 

Crumple Zones - yes, it sure does have crumple zones. The Body has all the 'crumble' of a 6" x 10" x 1/8" RHS Tube and the other crumble zone is the occupants, they do get very crumpled.



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Posted 17 October 2016 - 08:27 PM

Oh yes the steels used today are very different and high tec.

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Posted 18 October 2016 - 11:25 AM

And as was said, not repairable by normal methods. Not good!

From memory the Ford Sierra was the first mass-market car to use high strength steel.




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