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#1 jbj

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Posted 12 May 2016 - 01:10 PM

It's MOT time next week and I'm having issues with my hazard lights. I can only get them to work if I put the switch about halfway on (takes a bit of messing around to get it in the right position) and put the right indicator on.

 

If I don't put the indicator on then only the n/s side flashes. Both indicators work fine.

 

I'm assuming it's the switch but having to mess with the indicators to get them to flash properly is making me think there might be something else going on. I just don't want to waste money on something I don't need.

 

My car is a 1991 Mainstream Cooper.

 



#2 SCG

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Posted 12 May 2016 - 01:44 PM

Hi jbj,
I'm new to this as I've only just stumbled upon this forum.
I've just inherited my mothers '92 British open classic and I have occasional problems with the indicators/hazards. If I put the hazards on they flash very fast and after switching them off the indicators don't work unless I press the hazard switch hard at the top, then they start working again. Havn't had time to really look into it yet but I'll let you know if I sort anything out.👍

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Posted 12 May 2016 - 02:30 PM

Can only be one of 2 things really in my opinion flasher box or the switch itself. I would replace them in that order too

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Posted 12 May 2016 - 08:37 PM

Check the in line fuse too as that powers the hazard flasher. It's under the scuttle panel in engine bay.

Edited by grahama, 12 May 2016 - 08:38 PM.


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Posted 12 May 2016 - 09:36 PM

new switch



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Posted 13 May 2016 - 08:58 AM

New switch ordered. Let's hope it sorts it!

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Posted 13 May 2016 - 09:48 AM

6 terminals with a copper slider that can connect 2 of the 4 rows:

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bottom 2 pins connect the indicators to the indicator flasher

 

the top 4 connect the hazards as the switch disconnects the indicators

 

one from the hazard flasher

one to left side turn lights

one to right side turn lights (so that left & right are isolated when hazards aren't used)

one to the bulb in the switch itself.

 

All the strangeness described is down to the slider being somewhere in the middle connecting part of the hazards and indicators at the same time.

 

Later cars have one electronic flasher for both jobs and an ignition fed relay between it and the indicator stalk that is earthed through the hazard switch and isolated by selecting hazards.



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Posted 21 May 2016 - 05:35 AM

As Ethel points out, the Hazard switch does "double-duty":

  1. First, when "OFF" it acts as a "transit path" for electrical current from the indicator flasher to the indicator switch on the stalk and
  2. Second, when "ON" it acts as a way to cut off that path and deliver current to ALL the indicator lamps at once from the Hazard Flasher

Take a look at the blue box in the upper left-hand corner of the diagram here: Attached File  wiring.png   376.78K   95 downloads

 

#1 is the indicator flasher

#2 is the stalk left-right switch

#3 is the Hazard dash switch

#4 is the hazard flasher

 

Note the ganged switch that Ethel described so well (shaped like an H that has fallen on its side inside #3) - when off (up in the diagram) your indicators will work, when on (down), your hazards should flash.

 

I had a similar issue with my Hazards switch where I had to wiggle it into the "perfect" position to get them to work - my issue was not wiring, nor relay, nor fuse, but rather an intermittent dash switch.  
 
Fortunately, the "black box" MkIII "delta" switches are super easy to recondition - I've done my hazard, headlight and rear fog light switches in the past three years (because I live in NYC and shipping from the UK costs as much as a switch).  And mine's a '91 mainstream as well so you likely have the same hazard switch.
 
Here's how:
  1. Use a thin bladed screwdriver to pry the switch out of the dash panel into the cockpit of the Mini.  
  2. Work it up-and-down and side-to-side and take your time so you don't scratch anything.  
  3. Disconnect the switch (noting orientation and connector fit for plugging back in later).  
  4. Be careful to look at how the flat metal springs fit into the case as they are what hold the switch in the dash and you need to fit them so they place an outward pressure.  
  5. Use two thin blade screwdrivers at the same time to lift the tabs on each side simultaneously to "split" the switch box.
  6. Clean out the back of the switch box, removing any foreign material or dried grease on the contact points - or, as in the case of my headlight switch, remove the plastic that had melted over the contact point [the PO had wired driving lamps with no relays] and re-grease the flat contact area that slides up and down across the contacts with a good dielectric grease being careful not to put too much on it so it won't accidentally short contacts it should not and lubricate the pivot points with a non-drying grease.  
  7. Pry the sides apart on the front of the switch just enough to allow the switch's plastic cylindrical pivot pins to slip free and the switch should "fall apart" out of the front. 
  8. Note that there is a tiny little light in here that is connected to the tiny spade connectors - test it with a continuity tester now before you reassemble.  
  9. Once everything looks good, reassemble in reverse order.
  10. Check switch pivot action.
  11. You should be good to go, but if you like you can check switch operation pin-to-pin outside of the car with a continuity tester (there is a good description of the expected operation of the electrics of this "double-duty" switch here) and Ethel's description is spot on as well. 
  12. Pop it back in the dash and if the issue WAS just the switch, you'll have flashers again!

Now I know you've indicated that you've already purchased a new switch, but you still might want to take your old switch apart for a few reasons:

  • you might get it working and then you'll have a spare
  • you might want to simply salvage the little illumination bulb in it even if you don't keep the old switch - it just screws in and it's 80 pence at MiniSpares if the one in your new switch blows out
  • or take it apart just to understand the innards

Good luck!



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Posted 16 October 2023 - 09:03 PM

New switch ordered. Let's hope it sorts it!

 Did that sort it @jbj?

 

I have the same issue and a new switch isn’t sorting it.



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Posted 17 October 2023 - 01:04 PM

Is it also a late model with a relay & electronic flasher?

 

You can pull any of these bits [flasher(s), relay & hazard switch] and bridge the appropriate connecter (loom) terminals to test them individually.



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Posted 22 October 2023 - 11:00 AM



Is it also a late model with a relay & electronic flasher?

 

You can pull any of these bits [flasher(s), relay & hazard switch] and bridge the appropriate connecter (loom) terminals to test them individually.


it’s a mainstream cooper, new switch does nothing. In fact no lights work with the new one whereas the old one at least operates near side indicators.



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Posted 22 October 2023 - 04:33 PM

I had the same problem about 35 years ago, and it was the indicator stalk that was the problem in the end.

 

The stalk and the switch use the same wiring..



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Posted 22 October 2023 - 09:30 PM

If it worked one side only it can only really be the stalk or the wiring beyond it on the non working  side. Though the hazards should do the same.



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Posted 23 October 2023 - 04:14 PM

In my experience, the switch likes exercise! If used frequently it doesn't fail so often. Again, in my experience.

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Posted 23 October 2023 - 05:51 PM

In my experience, the switch likes exercise! If used frequently it doesn't fail so often. Again, in my experience.

Audi ones must fail on a regular basis.

They don't seem to get used, in my experience.






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