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Confused About Valve Seals / Guides


Best Answer monkey , 16 October 2015 - 06:30 AM

To answer the op's question -

Valve guides are the metal sleeve that sits in the head that the valve stems slide through.

Valve stem oil seals are a rubber component that slides down the valve stem and sits on top of the valve guide to stop oil from the rocker assembly side of the head seeping down into the cylinder.

There are two designs on valve stem oil deals that I know of. The older simple o-ring or the newer top hat style.

Hope this helps

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Posted 16 October 2015 - 07:17 AM

To answer the op's question -

Valve guides are the metal sleeve that sits in the head that the valve stems slide through.

Valve stem oil seals are a rubber component that slides down the valve stem and sits on top of the valve guide to stop oil from the rocker assembly side of the head seeping down into the cylinder.

There are two designs on valve stem oil deals that I know of. The older simple o-ring or the newer top hat style.

Hope this helps

Steve.

 

If I could take a little liberty and add to your post here monkey;-

 

If the guides are worn or out of spec, they'll need to be replaced.

 

Following guide replacement, the seats should be re-cut. The reason for re-cutting them is the new guide centres may not be the same as the old and with worn guides, it's likely they have also worn the seats off centre too.

 

If the Seats are re-cut, it would also be wise to re-cut the valves themselves.

 

As others have suggested, fit valve guide seals to all 8 guides, The 'hat' type are usually streets ahead of the O ring types.

 

In regards to valve Guides, there are standard Cast Iron ones available as well as Bronze types, for street use, I would suggest Cast Iron. The Bronze ones are good but much less forgiving and can be 'fussy'.



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Posted 16 October 2015 - 08:01 AM

Ok. Thanks for all the clarification.
I'm not concerned about the valve guides at the moment. We'll see what happens when I strip the head.

Here are what I think are the valve stem oil seals I have in my (Minispares) head gasket kit.

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Am I right in thinking the bigger one on the left is the top hat type? (It doesn't look anything like a top hat to me, but hey!)
If so, I have 4 top hats and 8 O rings.
Is it worth aquiring another 4 top hat seals for the exhaust valves?

And lightly OT but for the same job:
Head gasket: copper side up, aluminium down?
(None of the threads I've seen asking this question have mentioned this combination of materials.)

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Posted 16 October 2015 - 08:21 AM

Yes top hat on left. I fit them to all 8. Head gasket copper side up (direction should be stamped on it - front is waterpump end).

Edited by Swift_General, 16 October 2015 - 08:22 AM.


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Posted 16 October 2015 - 08:58 AM

So get 4 more top hats, rather than relying on the o-rings for the exhaust?

(Nothing directional stamped on the gasket. Just a part no.)

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Posted 16 October 2015 - 10:12 AM

So get 4 more top hats, rather than relying on the o-rings for the exhaust?

(Nothing directional stamped on the gasket. Just a part no.)

Yep don't bother with o rings. I've never really understood how they could ever be effective!

Haven't seen one with nothing on it but I guess they exist. Once you fit copper side up then it can one go way though.

Edited by Swift_General, 16 October 2015 - 10:13 AM.





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