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#1 Will16

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Posted 08 September 2015 - 05:59 PM

Evening TMF,

I recently had some brand new tyres fitted to a set of wheels I bought. However after fitting them to the car, 2 went down overnight, and 1 a few days later. 1 tyre has stayed inflated though, so thats a win!

After bathing them, 2 are leaking air from the bead, 1 quite alot, 1 not so much so takes a few days to go down. The other is leaking from a very tiny hole (not even visible) on the inner 'flat' of the wheel.

The tyres are Marshal Steel Radials, 145/80 R10. I'm kinda desperate to use these wheels as they are my favourite ever, ATS Classic' :wub:

So, do I run tubes? Can I run tubes in these tyres? I assume id have to run tubes in all wheels?

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Posted 08 September 2015 - 06:06 PM

Few options, first don't use tubes inside tubeless tyres. The inner surface is unsmooth/ribbed and over time will wear away at the inner tube causing it to wear through and pop.

 

The safer options would be to either go back and have the bead popped and sealant used or to remove the tyres, grind back the corrosion, paint and refit the tyres.


Edited by 1984mini25, 08 September 2015 - 06:20 PM.


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Posted 08 September 2015 - 06:14 PM

Remove the tyres, clean the rim using a wire brush, new valve, apply bead sealer around both sides of the inner rim and put the tyre back on. Just take it to a tyre place and ask them to bead seal your tyres, and fit a new valve. 2 min job. They will also charge you to balance the wheels again. :highfive:



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Posted 08 September 2015 - 06:42 PM

Cheers for the advice guys :-)

Jamie, on here, reminded me that the wheels feel like they have been gritblasted, giving it a textured feel. This would give sealing issues surely?

What can I do about the pin hole? Find a wheel welder?!

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Posted 08 September 2015 - 06:47 PM

Cheers for the advice guys :-)

Jamie, on here, reminded me that the wheels feel like they have been gritblasted, giving it a textured feel. This would give sealing issues surely?

What can I do about the pin hole? Find a wheel welder?!

Sure It's a hole and not a crack? You can get alloy wheels welded, but it might not seal. >_<



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Posted 08 September 2015 - 07:29 PM

Not on a mini but I had corrosion on the alloy wheels, which stopoed the tyre sealing. The fitter removed the tyre, cleaned the rim with a wire brush on an angle grinder and refitted the wheel.

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Posted 08 September 2015 - 07:50 PM

If they were professionally fitted in the first place, the Tyre Fitter has an obligation to ensure that the rim is not only safe but servicable. I'd suggest taking them back and having a whinge.



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Posted 08 September 2015 - 08:14 PM

If they were professionally fitted in the first place, the Tyre Fitter has an obligation to ensure that the rim is not only safe but servicable. I'd suggest taking them back and having a whinge.

plus one, I would be very annoyed if the bead area wasn't great and they hadn't sealed it. It's only a splash of a black bitumen type paint, it's not like it's expensive.

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Posted 08 September 2015 - 09:28 PM

I've had nothing but problems with inner tubes in my reverse rims. As mentioned above the inside of tubeless tyres isn't smooth and can cause leaks.

I'd go back and get the tyre shop and get them to have a look. You might need to take off the tyre and take it to a wheel repair shop for repairs.

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Posted 09 September 2015 - 03:57 PM

Looks like the wheels need painting anyway and without removing the tyres you're only ever going to be able to do a half assed job of that so I'd suggest getting the tyres off and sorting the wheels from the word go.

 

The beads need to be smooth so a recently blasted surface is not ideal. You can hand sand them which is free but time consuming or use a hand held power tool which can be a bit vicious and so can go wrong fast if you're a bit ham fisted. Or you can take them to someone competent who can sand or cut them on a lathe.

 

/Dangerous suggestion mode on

A bare wheel can be spun up on a car by supporting the corner and running the engine. I've done it and lived to tell the tale but bear in mind that if part of you or your clothing gets caught up in the wheel it's not going to be pretty. A lathe may run a two or three horsepower motor and it'll likely be belt driven so it'll slip if there is too much resistance and yet one big enough to spin a wheel will still drag a person across the bed with enough force to break bones. A car engine is going to be many times more powerful and a geared drive with no effective slip so don't try this yourself unless you are prepared to grow a pair and take responsibility for your own actions and their consequences.

/Dangerous suggestion mode off

 

Once the surface is smooth paint it or powdercoat it. Proper prep, etch primer and decent quality paint applied properly is the key to a good job that lasts. Powdercoating - again the key is in getting a good job done.

 

As for the pinhole...... if it really is a pinhole then paint or powdercoat will seal it. If it's a crack or similar then it will need to be repaired properly and yes wheels can be welded but beware it's not a simple process if the wheels are maybe made of some exotic alloy mixture - it's not something Billy down the road with a TIG welder can be trusted with and so not usually economic unless the wheels are something special/rare.

 

Iain


Edited by ibrooks, 09 September 2015 - 03:57 PM.


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Posted 09 September 2015 - 05:12 PM

Cheers for all the help guys :-) I'll not bother with tubes then!

I'll go back to the fitting place and see if they can sort it.

I'm pretty sure in the 1 wheels, it is a hole, as when I put it in a bath, bubbles were coming out of a single point, not along a line, but I shall investigate it further..

@ibrooks; I'll see if the tyre fitters can sort it, but if not, I have a lathe the wheels could fit on, or wouldn't be too fussed about spinning it up on the car. The wheels are pretty special, and not exactly common, so I think it's worth it to get it repaired!




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