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[Notepad12]

 

I was there at the air show when this happened...just reading the news now that local people from Worthing have been killed...pilot in a medical coma and death toll could go up to 20.... I've already laid down my flowers but my feelings for everyone involved and the families are still here....I've had a couple restless nights...something I'll never forget....R.I.P to everyone 

Can I ask where you laid your flowers? I know you can't get close to the scene but we would like to get them as close as possible.

 

 

Along the wooden bridge 

 

[jamesmpi]

Taken from BBC website

Vintage jets will not be allowed to perform "high-energy aerobatics" over land at air shows after the Shoreham crash, the aviation regulator has said.
The Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) said such planes would be "limited to flypasts", and all Hawker Hunter jets have been temporarily grounded

Not overly surprising about grounding the planes as they will need 100% confirmation that the plane wasn't at fault.
And I suppose the key part is that the ban applies to displays over land thus shows like Bournemouth won't be effected and only to vintage jets thus won't effect modern jets like the Red Arrows

Edited by jamesmpi, 24 August 2015 - 04:41 PM.

[racingbob]

 

 

Sad accident and people need to remember that, it's an accident. Already people calling for airshows to be reigned in. I'm 26 and i still look up at them like a child, they may need some fierce defending in the future.

They had a nice plane at MITP.  Spitfire with the RR merlin engine is the only plane for me though  

Yeah the plane was a nice touch on an already good day :)

 

at the show I thought that's a bit dangerous it was looping etc right above us

[Cooperman]

I'm going to Gransden airshow this weekend. It will be interesting to see if any special restrictions are in force.

[Big Sam]

I'm going to Gransden airshow this weekend. It will be interesting to see if any special restrictions are in force.

 

Since its overland yes there will be: http://www.caa.co.uk...detail&nid=2479

[Steve220]

The CAA are once again knee jerking as they don't have a spine to support them.

I'm going to try not to rant but they are what is making aviation in the UK terrible and highly restrictive. Quick to knee jerk, slow to do anything else. Morons.

Edited by Steve220, 25 August 2015 - 07:52 AM.

[Big Sam]

Totally agree. I fail to see what good grounding a 60 year old aircraft will do considering its only other documented crashes occurred in the 50s. May as well immediately pull all light air craft after every incident. 

[sonikk4]

Consider this Hawks could be classified as Vintage as they first came into service in 1976. So that would affect the sparrows.

Hunters were still being flown by the Empire test school up to 2002. The Swiss were flying them till 1994. We still had Hunters flying at Lossiemouth when I left in 1987. So still recent aircraft.

Typical Campaign Against Aircraft. Although I feel they maybe placating the hand wringers.

[Steve220]

This is where it begins to get technical as they are under the MAA's remit, not the CAA. Although they work very closely, the MAA governing rules for military aircraft are quite different.

[sonikk4]

The CAA still issue the permit to fly though for civilian owned / flown ex military aircraft.

https://www.caa.co.u...e=detail&id=135

[Steve220]

For vintage/retired mil aircraft, you're right. Current ones it's a whole other ball game. I think our wires got crossed from my previous post.

Edited by Steve220, 25 August 2015 - 02:31 PM.

[sonikk4]

Yes i understand that the Hawks as flown by the sparrows come under Military regs, however depending on what the CAA decide to do with this latest rule change could have implications for the Arrows as a lot of Airshows are over civilian controlled airspace so for example Airbourne at Eastbourne.

 

Once the cause of this unfortunate crash has been found it may then have an impact on the rule change and a possible derestriction. Unfortunately the occupants of the Belgrano are a rigid bunch of idiots. Not all but a large percentage and do their best to make life as difficult for people in Aerospace. I know this personally having fallen foul of their incompetence on several occasions.

[Tamworthbay]

And typically the idiots who write the comics like the sun are jumping on the bandwagon. the sun today is typical of the shout as loud as you can headline that they love so much. I would not lower myself as to read it but I can guess what it will say and some people will believe it.

[Steve220]

I keep getting so angry at what the tabloids spew into weak minds. Still. Doesn't stop me getting some flying in myself to take my mind off it 😁

[sonikk4]

Its always the same, so called experts crawl out of the woodwork, papers sensationalise incidents like this as it sells papers.

 

You get the "i think its this or i think its that" brigade without any facts to back up their statements. I have several theories as to what happened all very plausible and this is through previous experience of other aircraft accidents. Also through personal experience working on fast jets and large civil aircraft  ( We tend to keep up to date with aviation accidents to try and prevent things from occurring but the one thing you cannot legislate for is the person or persons in charge of a plane as proven over the years)

 

However they are theories only not a definitive answer and as such speculative. I am sure they will get to the bottom of this as the AAIB is very good at what they do and fingers crossed the pilot survives his injuries to shed further light on what happened.