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#1 Tumbleweed-Connection

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Posted 18 April 2015 - 09:11 PM

Hi all,

 

Another question which has been ruminated over before - the centre dash time clock in my 2000 runs slow (it's the VDO manufactured version with the centre adjustment).

 

I've been having some battery charging issues recently, so thought this might be the problem (hoped so, as then it'd sort itself out), but even when the battery is charged sufficiently to start the car it remains slow - losing an hour over the course of a day or so. I've cleaned the contacts as well with no joy last time I had the dashboard out, just to make sure.

 

Question is, can quartz powered clocks like these be serviced? Has anyone done anything similar before? Does anyone know what might be causing the clock to run slowly? I anticipate many will recommend that I just go and buy a new one instead, but all I can seem to find are the Caerbont manufactured ones from the slightly earlier cars. Not a big difference, but I am a bit of a purist at heart.

 

Going to take the unit out of the dash tomorrow anyway and see if I can hook it up to some rudimentary 12v supply to rule out any wiring issues. Can't see why there would be any if the clock runs, but there you go. I've not had much luck diagnosing problems so far in my Mini ownership, so this'll likely be another waste of my Sunday  :lol:

 



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Posted 19 April 2015 - 02:49 PM

A slow quartz movement would require professional repair.  

 

I have not worked with a factory VDO clock on a Mini so I am unfamiliar with your application.  However, VDO clocks were a standard offering in many German cars and certain Volvos.  If your clock is a round 52mm unit, it might be less expensive to search for Porsche, VW, Audi, and/or Volvo clocks on eBay and buy a used one.  The Volvo clocks will say Volvo on them and they are a little harder to mount but typically quite affordable.



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Posted 20 April 2015 - 06:03 AM

Well looks like it isn't the clock's fault at all. Wired it up to a jump start pack which I have to output a consistent 12v and it keeps perfect time. Must still be related to these battery issues I have been having after all. I'll have to check the wiring to the clock as well, though I did clean up the contacts already.

The thing that puzzles me a bit here is that the clock doesn't even keep time when the car is running and the alternator should be kicking out all the required voltage. I'm a total novice when it comes to car electrics though. I guess that means that it can only be dodgy wiring somewhere.

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Posted 20 April 2015 - 04:37 PM

 

Must still be related to these battery issues I have been having after all. 
The thing that puzzles me a bit here is that the clock doesn't even keep time when the car is running and the alternator should be kicking out all the required voltage. 

 

 

It is time to invest in a multimeter if you do not have one.

 

You did not mention your battery problems earlier or tell in your post above what those problems are.  However, do not assume that your alternator is working.

 

Things to check. 

A healthy, charged battery will measure 12.5V across its terminals with the engine OFF.

When you start the engine and the alternator is working the voltage across the battery should go up by 1.5 to 2V (to as much as 14.5V across the battery terminals).  If the voltage does not increase with the engine running, the battery is not getting charged properly.

 

Also pay attention to the red ignition warning light.  It has nothing to do with the car's ignition system but is an indicator for the charging system.  If the following three warning light conditions do not occur, the system is not charging.

Engine OFF , key out of ignition = Warning Light OFF

Engine OFF, key in the "run" position = Warning Light ON

Engine ON, key in the run position = Warning Light OFF



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Posted 20 April 2015 - 08:17 PM

 

 

Must still be related to these battery issues I have been having after all. 
The thing that puzzles me a bit here is that the clock doesn't even keep time when the car is running and the alternator should be kicking out all the required voltage. 

 

 

It is time to invest in a multimeter if you do not have one.

 

You did not mention your battery problems earlier or tell in your post above what those problems are.  However, do not assume that your alternator is working.

 

Things to check. 

A healthy, charged battery will measure 12.5V across its terminals with the engine OFF.

When you start the engine and the alternator is working the voltage across the battery should go up by 1.5 to 2V (to as much as 14.5V across the battery terminals).  If the voltage does not increase with the engine running, the battery is not getting charged properly.

 

Also pay attention to the red ignition warning light.  It has nothing to do with the car's ignition system but is an indicator for the charging system.  If the following three warning light conditions do not occur, the system is not charging.

Engine OFF , key out of ignition = Warning Light OFF

Engine OFF, key in the "run" position = Warning Light ON

Engine ON, key in the run position = Warning Light OFF

 

 

Yes, I do need a multimeter - there's no getting away from it any longer. My dad is sending a spare he has down to me this week. I did mention in my initial post that I have had charging issues recently. I have bleated my woes to everyone on the topic already here:

 

http://www.theminifo...e/#entry3250293

 

I basically started noticing that you couldn't sit with anything like lights on for all that long at all until the battery went completely flat, so I took it to Halfords for one of their free battery checks the other week. They found a low charge to the battery, with a max of only 13.29v going back into the battery at 3000rpm. I knew I needed a voltmeter to check everything properly, but in the interim while my dad sent one down, I did the usual business of ensuring the engine was earthed sufficiently by adding a second one - hence me raising the above topic about using a thick, covered cable rather than another braided earth strap (dumb question, I know). A lot of people seemed to by saying that this is more likely than the alternator being at fault, so I thought it couldn't hurt to add a second (though investigation did reveal the existing braided strap did actually look fine).

 

I've cleaned up all the possible contacts all over the place - to and from the battery and at the alternator, as well as checking the auxiliary belt itself for good tension. As you say, now is the time to stop messing about with guesswork and get the meter on there to find where the fault is.

 

I can confirm though that the ignition warning light is behaving correctly, just as you describe. I was loathed to take it back to a garage before I take a proper look with the meter myself anyway.

 

I guess we'll just see about the clock - I should have waited before diving in really. I did leave it on a 12v supply while I was out at work today and I did find it had lost quite a bit of time still, so maybe it isn't quite all fantastic. Strange because it had been on overnight and not skipped a beat in almost 12 hours. I don't know whether it was something to do with my supply cutting out after a certain time for safety purposes or something though, as I'm actually powering the clock from a portable jump starter (think I'm just trying to find ways to tell myself it's not the clock's fault to be honest). I shouldn't really leave it on while I'm out of the house, but I did want to check if the good fortune was going to last. I've hooked it back up anyway and corrected the time, so I'll see how it goes over the next 24 hours.


Edited by Tumbleweed-Connection, 20 April 2015 - 08:29 PM.


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Posted 21 April 2015 - 07:07 PM

Left the clock on the 12v supply and it has stopped again this evening. I know it's getting power this time, because I've hooked the bulb up to the same supply. Frustrating.



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Posted 21 April 2015 - 07:52 PM

Sorry about that.  I have opened VDO clocks from VWs in the past and found very little I could do to fix them.  



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Posted 30 May 2016 - 08:09 PM

Just realised I posted this ages ago as another post triggered my memory. I actually managed to establish what the problem is with these VDO clocks and its the poor quality of the soldered joints, which fail over time. I actually managed to find a guy in a private Facebook group who fixes these clocks as a bit of a side line for the lucky 500 owners. Needless to say, it now runs perfectly. If anyone wants me to put you in touch, I think he'd be okay with that. All you would need to do is post the clock to him.

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