'89 Mini City To 'mk1 Cooper S'
#361
Posted 18 July 2019 - 07:41 AM
There should be a couple psi backed up in the fuel line if the bowls are working correctly and I’d think you’d get better flow?
#362
Posted 18 July 2019 - 11:30 AM
In the interests of science I set up the first top so that the input was into the top of the 'T' and left the outlet with the little tag unblocked, then ran the pump again.
This time both tops ran at equal speed and nothing came out of the unblocked outlet, confirming that this is a vent/overflow feature.
The top I've ordered has a vent but no overflow pipe - as far as I know it's not needed - the electric pump stops pumping when there's no demand?
#363
Posted 18 July 2019 - 05:55 PM
..have you done a test run with that setup ? ..appreciate you're changing the top anyway, but might allow you to confirm that was the issue
my old GTM had a facet fuel pump, which would kick in as soon as the ignition circuit was armed and then stop 'til the engine was started, which suggests it stops when a certain back pressure is reached. i assume the vent/overflow would opens at a certain (hopefully, higher) pressure to protect the float valve & chamber from being exposed to very high pressures
there's probably some documentation on what the maximum fuel pressures the float valve can/should be exposed to, likewise your fuel pump should have some figures on what it'll push out.
#364
Posted 18 July 2019 - 09:29 PM
They all have a vent, some are small holes and some can have hoses attached- if the needle valve gets stuck open (on a piece of dirt or grit) it’ll send fuel out the overflow hole - if you can connect the pipe you can make sure the fuel doesn’t end up on the exhaust
A couple of photos of different types here;
https://sites.google...tbowl-lids-info
Edited by timmy850, 18 July 2019 - 09:30 PM.
#365
Posted 19 July 2019 - 08:51 AM
..have you done a test run with that setup ? ..appreciate you're changing the top anyway, but might allow you to confirm that was the issue
my old GTM had a facet fuel pump, which would kick in as soon as the ignition circuit was armed and then stop 'til the engine was started, which suggests it stops when a certain back pressure is reached. i assume the vent/overflow would opens at a certain (hopefully, higher) pressure to protect the float valve & chamber from being exposed to very high pressures
there's probably some documentation on what the maximum fuel pressures the float valve can/should be exposed to, likewise your fuel pump should have some figures on what it'll push out.
No I can't easily set it up to run because of the pipe orientation required for this top to operate correctly - I am 99% sure that this is the root of my problem and I've got a AUE272 top arriving any day so will wait 'til then.
My pump also stops once pressure is reached, it's an old (discontinued?) Moprod pump that I had lying around from a previous project many years ago so I can't find any figures for it. I'm not worried about not having an overflow on this low pressure system - if I was racing it might be a different matter. Whilst it doesn't sound ideal to have any overflow fuel in the engine bay, as you will know Mini's aren't exactly hermetically sealed so you'd soon smell it and stop whereas if it was venting down a pipe you'd only know when you parked up and saw a puddle (or ran out of petrol!)
Edited by johnR, 19 July 2019 - 09:02 AM.
#366
Posted 21 July 2019 - 02:41 PM
The correct top arrived yesterday so I fitted it and went for a test run. 40mph, 50, all good, 55..same problem!!! Back to the workshop, tested the new top on the jamjars, runs evenly so next step was to quantify flow rate. One minute of pumping produced a total in both jars of 75ml of fuel which by my calculations totals 4.5 litres per hour - nowhere near enough! Then today I connected the test rig direct to the pump with a couple of feet of pipe and ran the test. Result: over 12 litres per hour. so 7.5 litres p.h. are being lost in the pipe! As a reference I connected up the old fuel pipe that I'd kept when I re-built the car and that flowed at about 8 lph, suggesting that a) the pump isn't up to the job and b) there is some constriction in the pipe on the car. I think I'll get a fast road Facet cube and see what the extra psi produces.
#367
Posted 21 July 2019 - 04:51 PM
#369
Posted 25 July 2019 - 12:41 PM
Hopefully it's just the release bearing - which I think was the only bearing in the whole engine and gearbox that I didn't replace!
Edited by johnR, 25 July 2019 - 03:12 PM.
#370
Posted 27 July 2019 - 03:02 PM
So far, since April I've had an air leak which caused the exhaust to burn all the new plating off the LCB, the heater valve failed, the heater matrix failed, I'm assuming the clutch release bearing needs replacing, the tacho has stopped working, the choke cable needed replacing and I've still got the fuelling issue which has so far led to me getting a new floatbowl top and a new fuel pump. In that time nothing has failed on my Focus - it's a good job we love these little cars!
#371
Posted 09 August 2019 - 02:51 PM
#372
Posted 12 August 2019 - 04:45 AM
Hi John
I have read all your post on the carb issue you are having. Just for interest sake check the vent on your fuel tank and ensure that it is not blocked.
Have a friend that raced minis back in the '70 and '80 ran split 48 Weber carbs on a full race 1275 engine and he kept having fuelling issues, eventually when he fitted a bigger vent to the fuel tank, it solved his problems.
Cheers
#373
Posted 12 August 2019 - 08:04 PM
Yes I know fuel tank venting can be an issue - but I have twin tanks, both with vent pipes and presumably vented caps. The system worked perfectly with the standard 998 I had in it up to last year. When I test ran the new pump there was loads of flow at the carbs fuel supply 'rail' - I cannot believe now that it is lack of supply that is the issue.
#374
Posted 16 October 2019 - 08:27 PM
I've replaced the clutch release bearing but worryingly the old one seemed fine. Manifold has been sent off and returns tomorrow.
#375
Posted 16 October 2019 - 09:09 PM
I'm going to sound like a noob here, but maybe you can solve a problem for me. I have an ongoing problem with rich running as well. When I put the engine in, I noted that there was potentially an issue with an air-leak on the manifold, as the mating surface looked marginal. However, I had assumed that an air leak would cause lean running, so this couldn't be my problem. You seem to have a really good handle on things, and you're suggesting otherwise - are you able to explain?
The car looks fantastic by the way; I've been a long-term follower of progress and I love your mini! The endless niggly problems are all just part of the joy of ownership...
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