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#1 dschwartz1957

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Posted 05 September 2014 - 05:28 PM

A previous owner upgraded my '68 Mini Traveller with an engine from an early 70's Austin America or Austin 1300. The engine appears to have a standard A series cast manifold. A few months ago I installed a GEX155 twin box exhaust, which is an original style exhaust system for the Van/Estate. I used a two piece / two bolt clamp to attach the exhaust downpipe to the cast manifold, and held the pipe firmly in place with a jack while tightening the clamp.

 

The new system is MUCH quieter than the old glass pack muffler, and initially I did not detect any exhaust leaks. Recently I smelled fumes in the car. When I inspected the clamp there were carbon deposits along the threads of both bolts. I had someone cover the tailpipe with a wet rag and was able to feel an exhaust leak blowing around the sides of the manifold clamp.

 

When fitting the new exhaust, I was concerned that the bell on downpipe was too small for the cast manifold. Even with the leak, the downpipe held rock solid to the manifold. I used a mirror to get a bottom view of the pipe to manifold fit. The edge of the downpipe bell close to the firewall was covered by the clamp. However, there was an 1/8 inch gap between the downpipe bell and clamp on the side close to the engine.

 

I spent several hours trying to get a better fit, using two different clamp and bolt combinations, but always had an 1/8" gap on the engine side. The downpipe bell fits tightly on the manifold and is positioned correctly. There is no wiggle room. Using a digital caliper, I measured the outside diameter (OD) of the new exhaust bell, old exhaust bell, and widest portion of the manifold opening:

 

- New exhaust downpipe bell (OD) = 1.75"

- Old exhaust downpipe bell (OD) = 2"

- Manifold (widest OD) = 1.975"

 

The 0.25" inch difference between the new and old exhaust systems is huge. Was the new exhaust not flared out suffiently, or were there differences in the cast manifolds over the years the A series engine was produced? I have had several bad experiences with modern replacement parts not fitting correctly, and wouldn't be surprised if this is another manufacturing defect.

 

It would be helpful if others could post cast manfold and traditional style downpipe bell measurements for comparison. I could also use some advice on how to fix this problem. I see several alternatives:

 

- Find a used cast manifold that has a 1.75 opening and fits the new exhaust (assuming this exists)

- Cut the downpipe off the old exhaust and weld or clamp it to the new exhaust system

- Replace the cast manifold with an LCB header like: http://www.7ent.com/...s-c-aeg364.html

- Get an RC Conversion downpipe which fits a cast manifold: http://www.7ent.com/...npipe-ldp1.html

 

In the last three cases welding and fitting will be required, since the GEX155 twin box exhaust has a smaller pipe diameter.

 

I want a solution that results in the quietest possible exhaust system. With an Estate, more performance is not my goal (unlike most people who have questions about stage 1 kits, etc).

 

Thanks,

 

David Schwartz

Framingham, MA

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Posted 05 September 2014 - 07:01 PM

David,

 

I guess your engine currently has a single 1.5 inch HS4 carb fitted on the manifold? The original Traveller manifold would probably have been for the smaller HS2 carb, so a different casting.

 

I may have one at the back of the garage, I will try to dig it out and measure it.



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Posted 05 September 2014 - 08:32 PM

You are correct, my Traveller does have the HS4 carb. I assume this carb was standard for the 1275 Austin America / 1300 engine.

 

Back in April I borrowed a cast manifold from a member of my Mini club in order to test fit the GEX155. There were no gaps at all. Before ordering the new exhaust, I checked with a number of Mini experts (including the parts dealer) and was told the A series engine always used the same cast manifold. Clearly I should have measured!

 

It will be great to finally solve this mystery.

 

Thanks,

 

David

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Edited by dschwartz1957, 05 September 2014 - 08:32 PM.


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Posted 08 September 2014 - 04:01 PM

I checked several Mini repair manuals and parts dealers, and learned that the 1 1/2" diameter HS4 carb was used in Mini's as early as 1964. The link below states:

 

The single HS4 (1 1/2" diameter) carburetter installation was first fitted to automatic gearbox Minis in 1964.  The 1275 GT had a single HS4 from its launch in 1969, but the other manual gearbox Minis only received the HS4 carburetter in 1974. From that year up until 1992, all Minis except the 1990-91 Cooper had a single HS4 installation.

 

http://www.somerford...age=page&id=167

 

 

Can I replace the 2" flange manifold on my engine with one that has a 1.75" downpipe flange and use my current HS4 carb? In other words, will an HS4 from a 1275 engine fit a cast manifold from a smaller engine (998 or 850)? Or will this create a new set of problems?

 

David







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