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Austin & Morris Mini Cooper S - What's The Differences?


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#1 extreammini

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 06:47 AM

Hi,

So I have been trying to figure out the differences in the said Minis;

Morris Mini Cooper S
Austin Mini Cooper S

All I can bring up on the net is that they were the same shell assembled in different factories.

My question to all you mini geniuses is what are the exact differences between the two?

If I had to hazard a guess I would say that the Austin Mini was a little more refined and faster due to the background of Austin, I.e Austin Healey and then the Morris would have been slightly cheaper due to their background of Morris Minors but I have no idea .....

Thanks for your time and I can't wait for the answers!

Thanks for your time and talk soon.

Kind regards,
Mark

Edited by extreammini, 07 August 2014 - 06:50 AM.


#2 Dr s

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 07:27 AM

The badges and for some models the grille. Other than that they are identical. BL was fond of 'badge engineering' around this period.

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 08:54 AM

In the 1960's car buyers still had great loyalty to their favourite British car marques and local dealerships and this continued even when many of these independent British car companies were swallowed up and merged together under BMC (British Motor Corporation). To allow dealers like Austin and Morris who had been competing against each other (often in the same town) to remain trading under BMC ownership, the new BMC cars were often 'badge engineered' to retain these customer and dealer loyalties, even though the cars were often identical apart from a few minor trim differences........or sold at a higher price if the badge was from an upmarket brand like Woleseley or Riley (eg. Hornet/Elf).

As the years went by Austins were sometimes produced at Morris factories and vice-versa depending on resources and demand, labour strikes, etc.

This internal rivalry and inhouse competition and lack of rationalisation of the model range is often cited as part of the eventual downfall of BMC/BL.

 

For the 1970's BL decided to drop the Austin and Morris branding from the Mini range in the home and most export markets, so with the launch of the Mk3 Mini in late 1969, 'Mini' became a standalone brand (although many were still registered by dealers as Austin or Morris) and continues to be just Mini or MINI under BMW's ownership today.

 

Todays car manufacturers continue to 'badge engineer' with many modern cars using and sharing the same chassis platforms and common components and engines to reduce costs but with different sheet metalwork/body styling rather than just minor trim variations like BMC mostly offered.

eg. VW-Audi-Skoda-Seat model ranges.


Edited by mab01uk, 07 August 2014 - 09:01 AM.


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Posted 07 August 2014 - 05:17 PM

Hi,

So I have been trying to figure out the differences in the said Minis;

Morris Mini Cooper S
Austin Mini Cooper S

All I can bring up on the net is that they were the same shell assembled in different factories.

My question to all you mini geniuses is what are the exact differences between the two?

If I had to hazard a guess I would say that the Austin Mini was a little more refined and faster due to the background of Austin, I.e Austin Healey and then the Morris would have been slightly cheaper due to their background of Morris Minors but I have no idea .....

Thanks for your time and I can't wait for the answers!

Thanks for your time and talk soon.

Kind regards,
Mark

Badges (front rear and steering wheel centre) and design of radiator grill. Performance was identical.

Different colours were available for Morris / Austin cars but I'm thinking the Coopers had the same optional colours?



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Posted 07 August 2014 - 05:21 PM

As I understand it most (if not all) Cooper / S production was carried out at Longbridge regardless of their branding

#6 extreammini

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 07:24 PM

Hi all,

Thank you for your speedy responses and knowledge on this matter. No wonder I couldn't find the differences, they are pretty much identical so Google brought no joy!

My last question is ;

Is there one that is particularly more expensive / desirable due to it's lower production number from the factory?

Thanks mate and see you, thanks for all your help so far, it's much appreciated.

Kind regards,
Mark

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 07:44 PM

I think engine designation would be winner there. A 1071 seems to be a rare beast! This is only an opinion tho. I'm sure more qualified persons would know more on this.

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Posted 07 August 2014 - 08:06 PM

The lowest volume production was the 970 Cooper 'S'. This was a homologation special done to win the 'up to 1000 cc' class and in fact it won the European Touring Championship outright as this was on a 'class improvement basis'. It was 'all revs and not much go', but it was a real class-winner - until Rootes introduced the 998 Imp with twin Webers and the ability to rev to around 10,000 rpm.

There was absolutely no difference between the Austin & Morris versions of the 998 Cooper and Cooper 'S'. In fact the 'works' used to change badges to suit different events in countries where one of the makes was more prevalent and on one rally they had a car with a Morris badge on the front and Austin on the back.

Cooper & 'S' colour schemes were all identical too.






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