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#1 Hendred

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 08:54 AM

Hi,

 

I have been sensible and put myself through college to learn to weld, best thing I ever done, great fun.  Now I am going to start my mini, what mig welders are you lot using?  I want gasless really to keep cost down but concerned it may blow holes in 0.9mm steel.

 

Also my tutor said I would only be using it on low (between 30-40amp) but to buy a bigger welder than an 100amp welder so it doesn't keep tripping out being used at the 'top end' of it's power (not that 30-40amp is top end) so please any suggestions on a mig welder 150amp+ possible gasless that you may have used???? 

 

Grateful for your model of mig welder and where you purchased it?  and how much you paid of course!

 

Thanks in advance

John



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Posted 10 July 2014 - 09:33 AM

I agree with your tutor about buying a bigger welder so its not working hard all the time.

But gasless & disposable bottles are NOT the way to go.

sort yourself out with the correct gear at the start becouse you will end up going that way later after total frustration with all the DIY rubbish that you will be trying 1st.



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Posted 10 July 2014 - 10:12 AM

I agree don't go gasless, even if it sets you back a couple more weeks to save for gassed.  I have a Portamig 215, fantastic machine, I didn't opt for the spot weld timer or the gasless conversion, I never intend to run gasless.  Portamigs come incredibly well respected but cost a lot, I think I paid £665 earlier this spring for it but I don't regret it.

 

For gas I use Hobbyweld 5 bottles, Hobbyweld certainly works well for me.   http://www.hobbyweld...ult.php?page=35



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Posted 10 July 2014 - 10:20 AM

At the hobby end of the market I'd recommend Clarke all day long. I run a Clarke 150 amp welder that came from MachineMart well over 10 years ago and apart from tips and shrouds it's the same machine that came out of the shop and it's paid for itself many times over.

 

I never understood the differences between the red machines and the blue ones other than that the blue ones seem to be cheaper for a comparable spec - I assumed when I bought mine that they were changing the range and the blue ones were the outgoing models but they are still there.

 

Gasless - no! It's more expensive in the long run and not as nice or easy to use.

 

Disposable bottles - the gas is more expensive but they are easy to get hold of on a Sunday and more portable if you are welding out-and-about so my setup still allows the use of a disposable bottle and I've usually got a full one in the garage. I hear horror stories about them only lasting minutes and I've never worked this out - in hobby use I would get months of evening and weekend welding out of one. OK I wouldn't be welding every evening and weekend but when doing a DIY restoration you don't - you spend time cutting out rust then making a patch or making a bought panel fit then you weld it and then you move to the next area. I've a suspicion a lot of these people are leaving the hobby regulator on the bottle and relying on turning it "off" or the valves in the welder to keep the gas - they won't. Even a pro welder's internal valves are not 100% gas tight and I'd bet a lot of the wasted money on disposable bottles is simply vented in their garages whilst they are in bed/at work/eating/whatever.

 

That said -  have a pub sized CO2 bottle which is a far more economical way of buying gas. I had to buy a proper regulator and an adaptor to use it with my welder but they are not expensive. The bottle cost me £40 initially. £20 of that is a deposit that I'll get back if I give the bottle back and £20 is the gas. When I empty it I take it back, pay £20 and swap it for another full one. It lasts me almost a year at the heavy end of hobby use.

 

Size of the welder - I'd agree with you instructor. Go for a 100, 130 or 150 Amp machine. I can run mine all day (weld a bit, prep a bit, weld a bit, prep a bit) without hitting the thermal cutout (I'm assuming it has one - I've never found it though) my previous 90 Amp machine was a pain because I would find myself having to wait for it to cool down periodically.

 

Find someone with a VAT free voucher for MachineMart and they are a really good deal - I've got one at the moment but have some stuff to buy for myself and maybe a girl in the local Mini club or you could have used that.

 

Iain



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Posted 10 July 2014 - 11:43 AM

A Clarke 135TE Turbo will do anything you need to do on a mini. I have thrashed mine and it's still going strong. As a starter welder it's spot on. Once you have saved some more cash and are confident welding then a portamig or something like that would be your next step.

Once mine has died I will upgrade to a Portamig.

Gas less is not the way to go. Gas is far far better. Adams gas do bottles cheap. Do not get the disposable bottles. Total waste of money.

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 12:35 PM

I agree with the above. Go for a Clarke welder and avoid SIP (and the various re-branded versions). The quality of the wire feed is what sets them apart.

 

As for gasless, it has it's place. I use it because its convenient but it's more difficult to use and the result is not as good as with gas (it creates alot of splatter). I've not seen any gasless wire less than .8mm which is too heavy for panel welding using anything other than a 'pulse' method (and even that is tricky). It's also a pain for plug welding as the hole has to be that bit bigger to form a good pool.

 

So, my suggestions are - Clarke welder (size/spec to your budget and requirements), a reusable bottle (gas dependent on what you're welding) and .6mm wire if you're working on panels.

On top of that, get an auto-dimming mask. Really. Don't bother with anything else.



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Posted 10 July 2014 - 12:43 PM

These replies are so helpful, thank you very much.  I notice you can convert gasless migs to gas, is it just a case of popping on a bottle regulator????, that's just out of interest, obviously I will buy a gas mig from the start.



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Posted 10 July 2014 - 01:20 PM

These replies are so helpful, thank you very much.  I notice you can convert gasless migs to gas, is it just a case of popping on a bottle regulator????, that's just out of interest, obviously I will buy a gas mig from the start.

You would also need to switch the polarity in order to run a gas, gasless.



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Posted 10 July 2014 - 01:36 PM

Some Hobby mig welders have only two switches on the front, '1 and 2' and 'high and low'

 

Personally, i would avoid these and go for a Mig that has a control knob for adjusting wire speed.

 

The non adjustable ones will set the wire feed automatically depending on what setting you choose and having owned one of these i would hesitate to recommend one as i always found that the wire speed was often too slow or fast for the application in hand.

 

don't be afraid to buy second hand. You get much more bang for your buck and providing you find a well maintained machine, you can't go wrong.

 

I would always say before buying a machine, check out the prices of consumables as these can vary hugely between models and in fact, some parts for some Migs are very hard to find indeed. Besides this, you will find that some Hobby machines can be converted to accept a Euro torch which is a great modification as the consumables for a euro torch are far far cheaper and are more universal between machines.

 

Another point to bare in mind would be to look at a machine that accepts the large 15KG spool of wire as this works out cheaper in the long run and you haven't got to change the wire as often.

 

As the others have said, avoid gasless unless you only have a very small amount of welding to do. The disposable gas bottles are ok and i have one on my welding trolley just incase, but the large bottles are the best option. I use Hobbyweld.

 

My current welder is a snap-on mig 130 which i bought second hand from a mechanic who had it from new.It's quite an old machine but the consumables are still around and it can also be converted to euro torch which i plan to do at some stage.

I paid £100 for it and it came with piles of spares including gas, shrouds, tips, liners as well as gauntlets, auto shield and other bits to.

 

It works faultlessly and is very reliable for me. I am glad i bought it instead of buying another brand new one. The bloke i bought it from hardly used it also, so it is remarkable condition.

 

Hope this helps

 

Ben



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Posted 10 July 2014 - 01:39 PM

I run a Miller 150 A with gas and it works very well. I've had it for about 15 years with no problems, but I had to buy a new gun (of the shelf from BOC) this year.

Change the welding tips regularly.

I just got an auto-dimming mask for £20 and it works very well. Look on ebay.



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Posted 10 July 2014 - 01:46 PM

This is the same as mine and looks like a good deal despite being a bit scruffy

 

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item233cdd35ca



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Posted 10 July 2014 - 03:21 PM

Think the maxium spool Clarke welders will take is 5kg within my price range nowhere near 15kg.



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Posted 10 July 2014 - 03:40 PM

Search power king mig welder on eBay. I had one and it was good. They take 15kg spools and are reasonably priced too



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Posted 10 July 2014 - 03:53 PM

I've got a Wolf Weld one. It's good and was cheap, the only slight problem is the wire feed can be a bit hit and miss when starting a new spool, but once it's through, it's fine.

Usually, it's the user that dictates whether welds are good or not, not the welder. Just buy the best you can afford, we all have our own budgets.

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Posted 10 July 2014 - 05:48 PM

No power king mig welders on ebay at the moment






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