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#1 oldspa

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Posted 12 June 2014 - 09:57 PM

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As you see I am new to this forum. I am looking at an appendix K Cooper 'S' 1964. The car has been raced and rallied since the late '60s and is alleged to be still on the original shell. To be honest it looks as if it probably is the original shell, it certainly has the early style riveted on brackets in the boot and the voltage regulator is in the correct place for an 'S'. One of the doors is the original without the embellisher under the handle the other must be a later replacement as it has it.

 

To be honest it is cosmetically ok to race but in the medium term it would really need doing. Being an old racer it is very banged about and poorly repaired but I would like to keep the original shell. I would need to pay to have the shell professionally done as I lack the time and skills. I'm trying to get a rough idea of what it would cost to have done so here is description:

 

The best aspects of the car bearing in mind the thrashing from hell it has received over the decades seem to be:

 

1.the fact that it does not appear to have been over on the roof. Having owned a couple of lesser racers when they get rolled the roof collapses onto the cage. The roof gets banged out but witness marks remain on the inner skin / doubler structure. None on this car. You can see the areas that have been repaired due to the crudeness of them and this is not one of them.

 

2. The main central part of the floor looks original and pretty straight. That's about it the rest are badly executed repairs from hell:

 

Generally speaking all the areas that rust have been repaired badly.

 

The outer part of the floor / sill area has been repaired crudely with those god awful pattern panels that do not match the originals.

 

The inner wings have been totally mullered where it has had numerous front end shunts. Needless to say the front panel was replaced years ago in fact I bet it's had several.

 

Nearside rear quarter has been whacked and is hanging with pud. In fact being a racer I'll bet it's been whacked many times.

 

Offside rear corner ditto, the boot floor is distorted in that area and bears witness to more than one impact from that angle.

 

This is one knocked about shell and I'm trying to work out in round terms what it would cost to have it repaired properly. I don't mean a mallet and pud merchant, that much I can do and that's what it's had up to now. Hoping there's somebody out there who specialises in minis and knows how to work a hammer and dolly, shrink metal, lead if necessary, do it the old school way, fit new panels as necessary, gap them, and send the wee thing for paint. Would be a rotisserie job, no doubt there would be some jig work too it is an old racer.

 

So how much would it hurt the pocket? Need to be realistic here, would rather take the pessimistic view. If it works out a bit less so much the better, but in my experience things always end up over not under....

 

I do realise it's like asking how long is a piece of string, but how much are people paying to have the roughest shells done properly these days??

 

 

 

 

 



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Posted 12 June 2014 - 11:15 PM

assuming that you accept the fact that the heritage and value of the original mini makes it worthwhile for a full and proper renovation..... which most specialist mini bodyshops will..... expect a working budget of maybe 4k to get it good.... maybe up to 7k to get it concourse perfect ..... and paint in the region of 1500 - 2000

 

you'll find most places will cut and replace steel rather than hammer and dolly it.... its a dying trade, and most mini body shops don't entertain it....its not cost effective, and lead loading is almost non existent nowadays

 

whatever time frame you have.....throw it away..... non of the body specialists will stick to it, they'll all shoot me down for saying it, but I dare any one of them to show and prove they've met a deadline yet on a a full body restoration.

 

and finally, whatever they quote......double it..... even if they guarantee a price.... and check the work for progress, quality and finish weekly..... dont just shake hands on the price and schedule, draw it up formally and get them to sign.... and don't be frightened to add penalty clauses if they fail to deliver..... if they are that good and confident in their work, it wont be an issue....if they back off and look frightened by that, expect arguements and fallings out.



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Posted 13 June 2014 - 08:14 AM

I've been through the same process with my mk2 recently. Panels cost circa £1500. That's a front panel, inner wings, inner and outer a panels,quarter panels, wheel arches, a door skin, drip rails, outer sills, heel board, flitches, valance and full boot floor, door steps plus sundry small stuff. All from m-machine or heritage.

Kendal classic autocraft welded it, circa 190hrs of labour. We met once a week to discuss progress, issues and details. No contract, no clauses no problem, but I wouldn't work with someone I didn't feel I could get on with.

The end result is a rock solid mk2 that's tidy and waiting for paint. You can see it's been repaired but welds are ground down and seam sealed. Shut lines are good and it all sits right, quite a lot of panels took extra shaping / sectioning to get good.

Paint I'm being quoted at about the 3.5k mark for inside and out, taking a month to do it.

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Posted 13 June 2014 - 07:16 PM

Thanks, 2 very helpful replies. So assuming it went the new panels route the whole of the rear panel that includes the rear lights and the boot aperture is banged about. Do they do the whole of that section for a MK1?



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Posted 13 June 2014 - 07:17 PM

Oh and at 190 hours what was the labour rate like? = cost



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Posted 13 June 2014 - 08:39 PM

Think they do that part, check m-machine, might only need the lower repair section though?

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 11:20 AM

Have looked at M machine and being a newbie it is impressive. A lot of people involved with other classic marks would kill for availability like that. Correct pressings for all the year by year variations rather than one fits all which they never do!

 

Looks like they do a complete rear panel but the side quarter only appears to go up to the bottom of the side window. It would be easier to make the join at the gutter and take out the inevitably distorted metal round the window I would have thought. Perhaps somebody else does a complete side panel....



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Posted 14 June 2014 - 01:43 PM

Sadly not, the quarter is all you'll get. Mostly it laps in under the frame of the window and you can lose the other sections in the swage line.

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 02:47 PM

Oh well life's never perfect....



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Posted 14 June 2014 - 06:33 PM

Oldspa, pm'd you the final labour for my project.

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 06:41 PM

Thanks Dr s just checking that now....



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Posted 15 June 2014 - 07:01 PM

Have looked at M machine and being a newbie it is impressive. A lot of people involved with other classic marks would kill for availability like that. Correct pressings for all the year by year variations rather than one fits all which they never do!

 

Looks like they do a complete rear panel but the side quarter only appears to go up to the bottom of the side window. It would be easier to make the join at the gutter and take out the inevitably distorted metal round the window I would have thought. Perhaps somebody else does a complete side panel....

 

 

heritage do a full rear quarter.



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Posted 15 June 2014 - 10:05 PM

 

 

 

heritage do a full rear quarter.

 

 

It is for MK3 body's though. 

 

It's not too hard to loose the joint at the bottom of each quarter window frame though. 



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Posted 15 June 2014 - 10:24 PM

Daps are surf blue had problems with the M Machine rear quater panels on my '69.... apparently they didnt fit so well, and have distorted very badly once welded in.... >_<



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Posted 16 June 2014 - 07:51 PM

 

 

 

 

heritage do a full rear quarter.

 

 

It is for MK3 body's though. 

 

It's not too hard to loose the joint at the bottom of each quarter window frame though. 

 

 

 

my bad, read first post and then by the time i replied i'd forgotten it was a '64!!






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