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#1 rendersonique

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 12:22 PM

Hi there,
I have an issue with my handbrake and although it passed an MOT last year (just) its become a problem this year. I have changed my brake pads and fitted a new pair of minifin drums last year to try and resolve the problem. Although I can park the car on a slope and the brake does work, its not brilliant and it fails the test rollers during the MOT. There is plenty of adjustment in the brake cable. I know the system is very basic but can anybody tell me where else to focus my attention to resolve?

 



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Posted 07 April 2014 - 12:25 PM

Slacken handbrake cable adjustment off

Adjust rear shoes up.

Then adjust cable to 3-4 clicks approx.

 

Make sure all parts of the handbrake system are working.

 

Quandrants usually sieze or become gummed up, clean, lubricate and make sure are free/moving.

Also the rear lever into the rear of the drums are known for siezing. Check the clevis pin for wear and make sure free/moving.

 

Havent had any issues with a mini handbrake personally if all is operating correctly.



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Posted 07 April 2014 - 08:33 PM

As above, and in particular take out the operating levers, two piece things, item 7 in the link below, which Jordie particularly mentions, and clean them, lightly lubricating the rivet which joins the two parts. Often that vital pivot point siezes, with the result that only one shoe is being applied to the drum. If you can't get them working freely, throw them away and get a new pair. Fit new clevis pins, as the originals are inevitably worn.

 

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You should not need to fit Minifins, which are very rarely justified on a road car, as a cure for problems, as if the standard system is not working correctly, the Minifins will not help in the slightest. All they do is to marginally reduce unsprung mass and improve brake cooling, but only in the most extreme cases of competition cars is there a thermal problem with the rear brakes. Minifins, the delight of the various Mini suppliers, because they are profitable, are a solution to a non-problem, like quite a few other mods too. Having said that, a genuine Minifin is a well-engineered item, and does no harm to the car, even adds value and looks good, however many similar drums on the market these days are dangerously defective counterfeits which suffer from serious problems such as the cast iron liner loosening in the alloy. Keep genuine Minifins, but be aware that they are neither helping nor hindering the basic problem.

 

All you need to do is to give the standard system the maintenance that it should be having regularly, and the brake efficiency will achieve the MOT requirement. Not, admittedly, by a big margin, because braking efficiency at the rear of the Mini is severely limited due to the lack of weight in the rear of the car.

 

None of my Minis ever failed the MOT on handbrake, because just putting bits into their normal condition is sufficient to get a pass. With the mileage I used to do, the drums were off at least twice, maybe 3 times, a year, so everything was clean and well lubricated. It doesn't take long, once you have done it once and become familiar with the mechanism. (One at least was abysmally bad the first time I took the drums off, as it had been neglected by the previous owner.) I think that so many people have problems now, simply because they tend to do low mileage, and the drums are off maybe every 3 or 4 years, which is not enough, considering how the pivot points are prone to rusting. That goes for other mechanical problems too. Use it hard, service at the recommended mileage, and it will tend to be more reliable than if it is rarely used. So it is helpful to do more of what Minis are for, and drive the thing, moderately hard.



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Posted 07 April 2014 - 08:35 PM

Is it falling for insufficient braking effort or balance outside of permitted tolerance? That will make a big difference to what you need to check.

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 12:51 PM

 

You should not need to fit Minifins, which are very rarely justified on a road car, as a cure for problems, as if the standard system is not working correctly, the Minifins will not help in the slightest. All they do is to marginally reduce unsprung mass and improve brake cooling, but only in the most extreme cases of competition cars is there a thermal problem with the rear brakes. Minifins, the delight of the various Mini suppliers, because they are profitable, are a solution to a non-problem, like quite a few other mods too. Having said that, a genuine Minifin is a well-engineered item, and does no harm to the car, even adds value and looks good, however many similar drums on the market these days are dangerously defective counterfeits which suffer from serious problems such as the cast iron liner loosening in the alloy. Keep genuine Minifins, but be aware that they are neither helping nor hindering the basic problem.

tiger99. Thanks for you very thorough feedback. However, I will say that i did not fit the minifins to resolve the problem, it was just a case of timing and I did not want people to start recommend that i change them in this thread. 

Is it falling for insufficient braking effort or balance outside of permitted tolerance? That will make a big difference to what you need to check.

Tamworthbay, Last year it was failing on balancing as well as insufficient braking. This year its just been insufficient braking. 

 

All, 

Thanks very much for your feedback. Yesterday I placed an order for the following:

HANDBRAKE QUADRANT DRY SUSPENSION
CLEVIS PIN FOR HANDBRAKE QUADRANT
WASHER FOR HANDBRAKE QUADRANT CLEVIS PIN

 

In light of another post on the Mini Cooper Register I have decided to add to the order a handbrake leaver kit along with new brake cables (for what they cost). I feel that some of the parts are not going to be required to resolve, but its piece of mind that I can sort this for sure this weekend and get it back with a guaranteed pass next week. I feel that the parts and postage will fall under £50 and resolve a long standing issue. 

 

Thanks for all your feedback :)

 



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Posted 08 April 2014 - 12:58 PM

The pins in the mechanism inside the drums wear, as do the holes in those arms. I changed mine to improve the rear braking by fitting very slightly larger diameter pins and reaming out the arms for a closer fit. Can't remember the size I went to, but from memory it was about 7 mm, up from 1/4"



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Posted 08 April 2014 - 07:51 PM

I didn't mean to seem to suggest that you should change the Minifins, which are doing no harm, only that they were not helping the problem, or making it worse. They are there, and should stay there unless they wear out. Changing them now would indeed be pointless.

 

Your other bits will make the system as good as it ever is. Plenty of grease on these new bits, and they will be good for quite some time. I have always used LM on the quadrants, clevises and cables, same as the nipples and wheel bearings, but you can get some sticky greases better suited to exposed conditions under the car. I once had a can of this stuff, which was overkill, but worked:

 

http://www.chemsearc.../sup> Aerosol



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Posted 09 April 2014 - 07:40 AM

I had a similar problem. renewing the quadrant pins and cleaning and greasing the quadrants sorted it

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 10:02 AM

The guides on the subframe are as important as the quadrants. Give them a good clean and grease.

Edited by Dan, 09 April 2014 - 10:03 AM.


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 10:04 AM

Minifins were originally a worthwhile upgrade for front drum brakes, but they are pretty  :D






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