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#1 ozz1

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 06:25 PM

What should the toe angle be for a mini and whats the best toe angle for optimum handling/rate of tire wear (what sort of numbers are we talking?), I'm toe in at the moment...

 

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 07:23 PM

About 1.6mm toe-out on front wheels and 3mm toe-in on rear wheels



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Posted 14 January 2014 - 10:40 PM

I always set to 1 mm toe-out front and 1 mm to 2 mm tow-in on the rear for optimum handling.



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 10:36 AM

And, in no circumstances, ever have any toe out at all on the rears on a road car. It is remarkable how a tiny amount makes the handling go from very safe to downright dangerous. So can worn radius arm pivots, in extreme cases.



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 11:26 AM

10 minutes out on the front, not sure what it equates to in mm or degrees though  and i cant remember for the rear  :ohno:



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 03:18 PM

10 minutes on a 10 inch diameter is 0.7388mm. Measured over the tyres, or on 12" or 13" wheels, it will be bigger. The various figures given above are all in the right ball park, and I would suggest that changing the toe out at the front, between about 0.5mm and 2mm, may optimise the tyre wear without having very much effect on the handling, although it depends on how much compliance you have in the tie rod and lower arm bushes, and other factors. The ideal is with the wheels running truly parallel under power, but should that be at full power/torque (accelerating hard in first gear) or averaged over all operational conditions? There is the dilemma, and all suspension and tracking settings are somewhat of a compromise. The rear is of course more sensitive. In terms of angle, rather than mm of toe, I think it should ideally be the same regardless of wheel diameter, but I would be interested in other views on that.



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 07:50 PM

Sorry to thread jack, but on the rears how do you adjust the toe?

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 08:00 PM

Sorry to thread jack, but on the rears how do you adjust the toe?

 

Minispares do adjustable brackets 

 

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 08:36 PM

You can either add shims behind the radius arm brackets to reduce the toe-in, or file the rad. arm bracket hole forward and weld a large washer to hold the setting when it is correct. That is the cheap and easy way to do it.






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