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#1 Gilly112

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 05:02 PM

I'd like to end up with something a bit different, as anyone building or thinking of doing a project would.

 

I'm stuck between finding a big valve MG Metro head or a 12g940 (correct me if they're the same thing), or a K100 head off a BMW motorbike. 

 

I've found a kit that claims to cover what you need for the conversion on eBay: 

 

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item2c47c67d1c

 

Does anyone have any experience on this modification, and any figures on performance afterwards. I gather they're two very different options, so would the k100 head be worth it in terms of expense versus performance?

 

Or will I just stick with the original idea of a 1293 with the big valve head etc..

 

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#2 IainStallard

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 05:09 PM

Thats seems much too cheap to me...

 

EDIT: Unless I misread it and that's the head alone


Edited by IainStallard, 10 September 2013 - 05:23 PM.


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Posted 10 September 2013 - 05:18 PM

thats about the right price for the head. but you need a whole lot more for the BMW conversion. cost wise have a look at the Specialist components kits, think they are about 2K, not including the head, add to that the cost of a gearbox and bottom end to suit that kind of performance

Performance wise your looking at around the 100 bhp area.



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Posted 10 September 2013 - 05:33 PM

This has come up before. That ad is dodgy, as said above you are looking about 2k for the full conversion. Its very deceptive and should not be allowed, but that's dodgy eBay for you.

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 10:14 PM

Just found someone on here who's done the conversion with a 998 plus a few things like forged pistons and rods and a weber, reckons he can get 180bhp with a 1275 block. I'll get questioning!



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Posted 11 September 2013 - 07:50 AM

You have to have deep pockets to do this conversion properly !

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 08:14 AM

Haha, question answered then! I'll stick with the 12g940 ;)

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 09:16 AM

Just found someone on here who's done the conversion with a 998 plus a few things like forged pistons and rods and a weber, reckons he can get 180bhp with a 1275 block. I'll get questioning!

 

 

180 out of an NA 1275 is going to take some doing



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Posted 11 September 2013 - 10:21 AM

 

Just found someone on here who's done the conversion with a 998 plus a few things like forged pistons and rods and a weber, reckons he can get 180bhp with a 1275 block. I'll get questioning!

 

 

180 out of an NA 1275 is going to take some doing

 

 

But is still realistically achievable with the BMW head. I've built a 164bhp 1330 which was still nicer to drive than an equivalent 5 port head engine with a 286-esque cam. KAD have done over 200bhp with there kits and have proved very reliable in a competition engine sense.

 

To the OP, that kit on ebay isn't actually a bad price for the head and related ancillaries. However, as people have said it is far below the price of a completed engine. Bottom end wise, unless your sticking with the 8 valve, these engines like to rev. Because of that modifications i recommend at minimum a center main strap to be fitted, whilst often pushing towards the 4 bolt center cap and steel end cap set. Its then machine work to get these fitted plus a rebore to whatever you fancy/require. New pistons are obviously needed, and they have to have the 16v cutouts in them, cast Omegas are really good. Up to about 130bhp you should be okay with standard rods, anything above this you need to look into H beams. The whole bottom end needs to then be balanced including the flywheel. The head then needs several passage ways/pushrod holes blocking off, with additional holes drilled for the new BMW head. The head itself then needs a fair amount of machine work, with the timing face being machine off to sit flush with the block, also pulleys are now used instead of sprockets. Once you get to that point there's still a fair amount of work involved in the cooling and oil supply system. As well as setting up TBs and then relevant mapping to suit.

 

The bit above may sound a bit scary, thats not my intention, unfortunately due to dodgy eBay adds like the one you posted, people buy these kits expecting there head to just drop on and they can be away with double there original power. It doesn't quite work like that. Don't let that put you off though, if your willing to make the investment, the performance produced by these is completely different to that of a 5 port a-series. Unless your going for big cams, the torque curve is awesomely flat, and the power buids completely linearly, making a lovely engine that is easy to drive in traffic and around town as much as it is willing to fly around a track. 



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Posted 11 September 2013 - 10:30 AM

For inspiration, this is currently sitting on my bench.... 

 

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 10:41 AM

That engine is freaking sexy!



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Posted 11 September 2013 - 01:58 PM

Just the information I was looking for. So if I was to commission an engine with this head on with an mg metro engine included, how much do you reckon it'd cost? I'm looking for around 110-120 hp, and I'm not too bothered if this comes in at higher rpm. I know it's possible with an 8v head, but what would be the difference in costs between the two?

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 02:10 PM

The reason I was looking at the k100 is because it looked like a cheaper route to an 8 port head instead of buying a £1300+ 7/8 port head from new, so if the modifications needed make the build just as expensive, as much as I want something different, I'm going to have to go the conventional 5 port route as I don't want forced induction and I don't have the income for an extremely expensive build. Plus this is my first project and I'd like it on the road in just over a year if possible.

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 04:35 PM

im doing the same head/block. and i reckon to be albe to do for a lot less than 2k.. i reckon less than a grand but i,ll be making most of the bits

 

cheers terry



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Posted 13 September 2013 - 12:15 PM

hi guys just a quick question. is there anyone interested in sealing plates for the k head conversion. im of to a lazer cutter bloke to see what price i can get some made for..

 

cheers terry






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