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[Captain Mainwaring]

When you find out exactly who/where he is, go to his house and steal stuff to the value of what you paid him. Technically you can't be done for burglary unless you damage anything. The law states you are not stealing if he is in your debt!*

 

*I accept no responsibility if you choose to do this.

Absolute madness. Do nothing of the sort. The law says nothing of the sort. There is a huge difference between criminal law and the law of torts.

Only when the debt is proven can you place a lien over his property.

[Captain Mainwaring]

I have come up with a massive plan.. 

I don't want to put all the details but here are the basics...

Complain to cheif ( as it is voted the last thing he wants is me giving him a bad name) 

Get a name and address from them. 
 

file small claims court

hopefully win court with my evidence.
 

pay bailiffs

get most if not all of my money.

Let's roll.  

 

 

Well so much for that guy who told you to give the guy a break and not keep bothering him.

 

As for the DPA, you've every right to request his name and address with a view to civil proceedings. If you find a police officer who doesn't wish to properly handle the crime, ask him for his name and shoulder number, he'll ask why, tell him you have no option but to report a case of nonfeasance - that'll make the bugger stand up.

 

Find following and excerpt from an email from Herts police regarding a similar sort of proceedings. Ultimately I served a bankruptcy petition and  bankrupted the turdbag who stole my car.

 

Frankly I find the Police attitude in your case disgusting.

 

If you wish to request a copy of the crime report, section 7 of the Data Protection Act 1998 affords the right to an individual to request a copy of any information which may be held about them by an organisation; this is known as a 'Subject Access Request'.

 

To make a Subject Access request you will need to complete the attached application form. I have also attached an instruction sheet for your reference.

 

Please note that a Subject Access request is a personal request for information and we will require the written consent of the individual who reported the crime authorising the Constabulary to disclose the information within the crime report to you.

Edited by Captain Mainwaring, 09 June 2013 - 04:51 AM.

[thebullet]

Still heard nothing, I even got a text off the number yesterday saying they were busy and couldn't take my call, even though I never tried to phone them? 

[Captain Mainwaring]

As pukeworthy  as it all is...try to avoid contact. 

Push it with police until they are sick of hearing it. If they think it's not serious tell them to either refund your money out of their own pockets or call a senior officer to record an official complaint. 

I'd try it on writing to his bank, giving a crime ref number and telling them that he has used the bank account in the commissioning of a fraud....make an application under the DPA.

 

You've got his account details - we are guessing at the moment that this is actually his account, that he hasn't stolen someone's ID to open an account, do as much searching as you can based upon the information that you have.

 

I wonder why he went to the trouble of actually bothering to send you anything - my guess is that he thinks you know more about him than you do, he risked being photo'ed at the post office, and without being too CSI, maybe even leaving DNA on the parcel he sent to you. Odd, why not just bar all of your incoming calls or throw away the SIM card.

[minisilverbullet]

This is awful mate! 

 

I find the attitude of the police, disturbing but not totally surprising. 

 

I think I would be inclined to really pressure the police. State the police complaints commission (or equivalent). as teh whoel thinmg is down right right fraud.

 

If you get nowhere with the police, at least it is all documented etc. 

 

I am not saying do this, but I would be inclined to call 999 and state I was outside the guys house with a baseball bat. Obviously you wont be. The police would need to attend, and maybe you get the ball rolling. You will also suffer the repercussions, wasting police time etc. But the newspapers would have a field day. 

[JustSteve]

I am not saying do this, but I would be inclined to call 999 and state I was outside the guys house with a baseball bat. Obviously you wont be. The police would need to attend, and maybe you get the ball rolling. You will also suffer the repercussions, wasting police time etc. But the newspapers would have a field day. 

 

Deffinately don't call 999, but call the local number instead. Much less risk of getting in trouble. 

 

I've heard of this done before, although it was a shotgun that was threatened. When the police arived, they asked where the gun was. the reply was ''thought that there weren't any police officers to attend?''

[thebullet]

I have a crime scene investigator and he lives next door to me and he said to take it down to the police, the shiny material on the paper packaging is good for finger prints and I haven't touched it. He said first phone them and say you have a crime scene investigator next door and he says to come and have a look. Will phone them tomorrow. 

[silve1999]

dont do anything illegal including phoning them reporting a fake crime lol.  thats just rediculous...

[Willthewelder]

I'll buy the debt for £1000? Been through all this before. If I weren't on an Iphone I would explain it all. You can get a high court Writ after small claims. The high court employ the sherif to visit the debtor. They hold more powers than a bailif or debt collector.

[Dan]

  Well despite what I said before, obviously I am sorry you have been turned over again.  Although it seems odd that he is still in some sort of partial contact with you and just maybe this still might resolve itself.  I would definitely agree with going through the high court though.  Sheriffs are far better suited to this task than bailiffs, and they have a very high success rate.  Once there is a verdict in your favour it costs you something like £80.00 to advance it to the high court.  From then on all the costs will be added to the Sheriff's bill and covered by the other party, I believe you will never have to pay any more even if they fail (which is very rare).  You cannot avoid paying a Sheriff, they can take legal possession of anything they like to cover the debt and can even sell it while you are still using it.  Since this would be a personal debt there is almost no way to wriggle out of it.

 

  Oh and I'm sure you will already have this in mind but please be careful to stay within the law in this and go through the due process.  Ignore all the foolish advice and comments from those who have seen too many TV dramas and have formulated their own ideas about how the law works.  I know it sucks but ultimately as said before, it's just money.

[Carlos W]

I have a crime scene investigator and he lives next door to me and he said to take it down to the police, the shiny material on the paper packaging is good for finger prints and I haven't touched it. He said first phone them and say you have a crime scene investigator next door and he says to come and have a look. Will phone them tomorrow.

Paper doesn't have to be shiny to get prints from it!

There are chemical processes for porous surfaces too!

See if you can get the name of the officer dealing with your case!

[thebullet]

Thanks for the help guys. I feel hope isn't lost yet. I'll let you know on what goes on. And to those who private messaging me help. I can't appreciate it enough. At a time like this, I need all the help I can get.


Just so you know, They just tell me they don't know and can't tell me what's going on when I ask for a name.

Cheers

[Dan]

  Look realistically they aren't going to use expensive testing (such as advanced fingerprinting techniques) to investigate what appears to them to be a one off £1000.00 fraud.  There is a lot of other crime out there to research.  A very good friend of mine was once quite a well regarded DNA scientist at the central criminal laboratory, they are very very busy with evidence all the time and these things cost a lot of money.  None of this testing or evidence handling is as quick or simple as it is on CSI, it's all proper science.  There are no machines that take a tissue sample in one end and spit out a photo and file record of a suspect at the other in a few minutes.

 

 If you can convince the Police that you have appropriate evidence to suggest this guy is carrying out multiple offences in different areas of the country at the same time and is a fairly organised criminal then they will have more interest.  This would have to be real evidence though, not just internet conjecture and hearsay.  They would then be able to justify more spending as they can combine several crimes together and maybe even spread the costs between forces.  I know that ideally crime prevention would not have a budget limit but this is the real world.

[ToM 2012]

dam! i feel for you mate you must be so angry? this happend to one of my freinds funny enuff he was on mcdonalds and some black chap shouted him over and said i have got a brand new video camera for sale showed it him how much? bla bla bla all there in the box so went and got some money out hes car handed the cash over give him the box and of they drive. so they have gone now he opens the box and guess what a bottle of whole milk??? scamming buggers!!! cant do nothing about it as what can you do really? i think it was only £80 for it but its still £80 down. i hope you get your money back or even catch this feller an rip hes throat out! 

[Captain Mainwaring]

  Look realistically they aren't going to use expensive testing (such as advanced fingerprinting techniques) to investigate what appears to them to be a one off £1000.00 fraud.  There is a lot of other crime out there to research.  A very good friend of mine was once quite a well regarded DNA scientist at the central criminal laboratory, they are very very busy with evidence all the time and these things cost a lot of money.  None of this testing or evidence handling is as quick or simple as it is on CSI, it's all proper science.  There are no machines that take a tissue sample in one end and spit out a photo and file record of a suspect at the other in a few minutes.

 

 If you can convince the Police that you have appropriate evidence to suggest this guy is carrying out multiple offences in different areas of the country at the same time and is a fairly organised criminal then they will have more interest.  This would have to be real evidence though, not just internet conjecture and hearsay.  They would then be able to justify more spending as they can combine several crimes together and maybe even spread the costs between forces.  I know that ideally crime prevention would not have a budget limit but this is the real world.

 

 

That's handy, maybe i'll come back to the UK and start up an internet fraud business - keep it below £1000....no one will investigate. 

 

I suggest that the OP reminds the police about nonfeasment. It is in the public interest to investigate the case and therefore it needs to be investigated.

 

The cost of an investigation is neither here nor there, the dodgy SUN policemen probably made very small money for divulging information to the Sun, yet a bet a considerable amount of money was spent on prosecuting as it was in the public interest.

 

DNA processing on a scale that the police require is now cheap, and even if it wasn't, it's not an excuse.

 

My experience of anyone in public office is that they tend to sharpen up when you start taking names and warrant numbers etc. The buggers will wait around every corner for you to have a tail light out if you do....but needs must.

 

DNA can be tested as cheaply as £30, even taking standard government sector lack of efficiency it can't cost more that £300 can it?

Edited by Captain Mainwaring, 10 June 2013 - 04:46 AM.