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#1 UBSTANKN

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 10:51 PM

I recently wanted to install an inline fuel filter so I removed the old copper fuel line and replaced it with two stainless lines and a filter in the middle.  After installing it, I realized that it's way too close to the manifold for my liking so I wanted to get some opinions.  My first option is to go back to the old copper line, but cut it so I can fit the filter.  My other option would be to use a clip to secure it to the firewall and therefore, keep it clear of the manifold.  What are the opinions?  I would love the clip to be the best option because I like the way the stainless looks, but my head is telling me, a copper line is probably the better option.

 

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 06:51 AM

Could heat wrap the manifold, it really does work to lower the temp

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:18 AM

  Inside that stainless braid it's still just rubber.  If it touches the manifold the stainless will conduct heat into it very nicely.  The short section that passes behind the exhaust must be a solid line for this very reason.  It is usually just a short piece of solid with rubber at both ends.



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Posted 06 May 2013 - 04:20 PM

  Inside that stainless braid it's still just rubber.  If it touches the manifold the stainless will conduct heat into it very nicely.  The short section that passes behind the exhaust must be a solid line for this very reason.  It is usually just a short piece of solid with rubber at both ends.

 

Yea, I kind of figured as much.  Right, sounds like I need to reinstall the copper line!

 

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 04:45 PM

I'm gunna have to do this as well, a flexible line behind the manifold is just to dangerouse and not a long term fix

What about fitting an inline fuel filter before the mechanical pump, is that an option?

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 07:49 PM

I could fit one before the pump but there's not a ton of room.  It's probably just easier for me to replace the copper line.  It's just a shame because the braided line looked nice.  Oh well.  Far better to be safe than pretty.

 

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 07:51 PM

Just a thought but what about at the fuel tank end? Just take the current hose off plug in filter then fit a new piece to attach it to the tank?

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:02 PM

Just a thought but what about at the fuel tank end? Just take the current hose off plug in filter then fit a new piece to attach it to the tank?

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I've heard that isn't always the best idea because the fuel could pick up contaminants as it travels to the pump.  My understanding is the best place for a filter is right before the carb.

 

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 12:23 AM

So I replaced the braided line with a solid steel line.  Still not sure it's clearing it enough.  What do you guys think?

 

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 07:55 AM

  Looks a little close to me.  Did you use steel line?  If you use copper it's quite easy to form it to stay where you put it, but even with the steel you might be able to get a bit more clearance.  Although all it will do is warm the fuel, there isn't any way it's going to sever a steel line, although some heat will still be conducted into the rubber hoses.  So I wouldn't say it's actually dangerous, but not ideal.



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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:25 PM

I always thought you should mount a filter straight out of the tank, as it stops crud getting into your pump and your carb? any debris in your fuel is usually from the inside of your tank.



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Posted 07 May 2013 - 03:07 PM

Your choke cable looks like it's resting on the manifold too  O_O

 

Because my pump is in the boot, my fuel pipe now comes up from under the car to the bulkhead approximately where your pump is. The pipe then follows the bulkhead vertically upwards to a filter then around the back of the carb the to the carb float chamber. Could a similar setup work for you? I.e. route a solid pipe straight to the bulkhead then upwards even more towards where the wiper motor is? All depends on angles and clearances really.

 

Picture below shows a work in progress, but you get the idea.

 

If not, maybe try to get it routed so that it sits between the bulkhead and abutment plate to give it some shielding from the heat.

 

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:22 PM

  Looks a little close to me.  Did you use steel line?  If you use copper it's quite easy to form it to stay where you put it, but even with the steel you might be able to get a bit more clearance.  Although all it will do is warm the fuel, there isn't any way it's going to sever a steel line, although some heat will still be conducted into the rubber hoses.  So I wouldn't say it's actually dangerous, but not ideal.

 

I was going to use copper, but the parts store near me had steel so I went with it.  I had a little tube bender so I was able to bend the pipe.  I had a tricky time getting the dimensions exactly like I wanted them which is why it's closer than I had intended.  I don't think it's going to touch the manifold so hopefully it will just be a little warm.  It's about a half inch to an inch off the the pipe.

 

I always thought you should mount a filter straight out of the tank, as it stops crud getting into your pump and your carb? any debris in your fuel is usually from the inside of your tank.

 

Yea, I would assume that any contaminants in my fuel are 95% of the time going to come from the tank, but this is an old Mini and the truth is that any part of the fuel system could be contaminating the fuel.

 

Your choke cable looks like it's resting on the manifold too  O_O

 

Because my pump is in the boot, my fuel pipe now comes up from under the car to the bulkhead approximately where your pump is. The pipe then follows the bulkhead vertically upwards to a filter then around the back of the carb the to the carb float chamber. Could a similar setup work for you? I.e. route a solid pipe straight to the bulkhead then upwards even more towards where the wiper motor is? All depends on angles and clearances really.

 

Picture below shows a work in progress, but you get the idea.

 

If not, maybe try to get it routed so that it sits between the bulkhead and abutment plate to give it some shielding from the heat.

 

Cheers

 

Ian

 

Kudos on an amazingly clean engine bay,  My hope is that mine will look like yours some day.  Clearly I've got a little ways to go.

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Yes, my choke cable is currently touching the manifold and that is something else on my list of things to fix. I replaced the cable and then it touched and melted the plastic one day.  You can actually see the melted section in the picture.  I've yet to figure out a good way to keep the choke away from the manifold.  I'll probably just zip tie it to another tube.

 

I suppose I could run a hard line straight up from the pump and put the filter to the right of the carb.  Then have a flexible line running around to the left.  Probably not the most elegant of solutions, but it would certainly keep the fuel away from the manifold.  I wonder if there are any downsides to that.

 

-Mike



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Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:56 PM

Mike - my fuel line setup is exactly the same as yours but minus a filter. The previous owner installed a LCB which has effectively jammed the steel fuel pipe up against the bulkhead. There is a rubber hose either end of the steel but these, while close to the manifold, aren't touching.

I've had the car 4 years and it's passed a couple of MOTs that way - not an ideal setup as Dan has suggested but other than replacing the rubber hoses and jubilee clips with braided ones and fuel pipe clips (because I've overhauled the carb so it's all exposed at present), I'm going to leave it as it is - the steel appears to be in good order anyway.




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