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[mab01uk]

I'm all for a petition too. Classic cars need to be preserved and there needs to be a practical way of doing it legally.

 

Already mentioned that anyone interested can sign the Classics Monthly 'Reshell Or Die' petition.........

http://www.classicsm...n-our-petition/

 

http://www.gopetitio...42909/sign.html

 

If everyone had obeyed the letter of the later DVLA rules mainly intended for modern cars, the Cooper S as a classic would be far rarer and probably more expensive today as most would have been scrapped instead of rebuilt into then plentiful 850cc donor Mk1/2/3 shells (not stolen) throughout the 1960's/70's/80's and early 90's when it was not sensible or viable to rebuild a rusty or severely damaged original shell.

One of the advantages of pre-internet forum days was we just got on and did what was required in the workshop without endless discussions!

Edited by mab01uk, 01 May 2013 - 10:22 PM.

[waddle]

are you alowed to replace a pannel on your mini with a used pannel from another mini?

 

all your doing is replacing all of them at once

, aslong as its the right year for the logbook there is NO WAY OF TELLING !

  your not cheating anyone

 

and to all thoes assuming the shell you use to reshell is stolen you have no evedence of this atall, you could have bought it with a log book and just put it on the shelf ! or it could be off another person whos decided to keep the book .

[mk1coopers]

, aslong as its the right year for the logbook there is NO WAY OF TELLING !
your not cheating anyone

That's the thing though, there are ways of telling what the shell is, you would be very lucky to find a shell that exactly matched the build date of the one you were replacing. If you had a rare painting, which got damaged beyond repair, then you had someone paint an exact copy to original specs, put it in the original frame and tried to sell it for the original price you would swiftly have your collar felt by the art fraud squad !, why is this any different with cars (which in some cases are starting to be worth the same as fine art pieces) if you've reshelled the car and you sell it on be honest about what you've done, with Minis these days the price you will achieve probably wouldn't be any lower

Edited by mk1coopers, 02 May 2013 - 05:35 AM.

[Bungle]

i always wondered how you got on with second hand body parts

 

it's quite common in the VW world to replace rotten body panels with cut sections from second hand shells

 

 

http://www.southwest...co.uk/parts.php

 

how many second hand parts can you weld on before it's not the same shell

[surfblue63]

 

If everyone had obeyed the letter of the later DVLA rules mainly intended for modern cars, the Cooper S as a classic would be far rarer and probably more expensive today as most would have been scrapped instead of rebuilt into then plentiful 850cc donor Mk1/2/3 shells (not stolen) throughout the 1960's/70's/80's and early 90's when it was not sensible or viable to rebuild a rusty or severely damaged original shell.

One of the advantages of pre-internet forum days was we just got on and did what was required in the workshop without endless discussions!

 

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So why should the value of genuine rare cars be diluted by reshelled up spec'd lower models? 

[mab01uk]

i have always thought increased value and investment potential should not be a priority of classic cars or Mini's as a hobby or interest.........but the more cars like the now rare Cooper S that are available at perhaps slightly lower prices, then the more people that can enjoy owning and driving them once again both now and in the future. If total originalty is important then it will still be possible to search out those few cars available and pay a premium price if desired.

[Bungle]

there might be more 850 models on the road with out all this reshelling

[surfblue63]

i have always thought increased value and investment potential should not be a priority of classic cars or Mini's as a hobby or interest.........but the more cars like the now rare Cooper S that are available at perhaps slightly lower prices, then the more people that can enjoy owning and driving them once again both now and in the future. If total originalty is important then it will still be possible to search out those few cars available and pay a premium price if desired.

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If increased value is not a priority then why turn an 850 into a Cooper S? Could it be the potential profit that you will make restoring your car to S spec rather than 850 spec. You can have just as much fun in a modded base model than a top or the range reshell, and not have to worry every ten minutes that you supposed high value car is going to get damaged.

 

Here's a hypothetical story for you to digest.

 

Someone has a Cooper S that is beyond repair. They buy a legitimate 850 Mini to reshell the car. Afterwards they have a "vacant" log book which they pass on for a bit of cash to help with the restoration cost. They can not hand the log book in because they can not obtain a certificate of destruction as the car no longer exists

 

This "vacant" log book then gets applied to a 1980's or 90's car becasue someone wants to dodge a bit of road tax and maybe dupe some unsuspecting Mini novice into buying an older car. This creats another log book with no home.

 

This new "vacant" later log book gets passed on to...   ...I will leave you to guess the rest.

[Jase]

So is there a number stamped on a new BMH shell?

 

Or do you need to locate the number on the donor car?

 

Where would it be located?

 

Any advice greatly appreciated.