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[miniweights]

Oops! Sorry, that's not supposed to be in the list

[rally1380]

Phhhhewwwww.....when i reskin my doors they are getting the Alloy treatment.

[miniweights]

Lol, sorry to scare you. I thought I took everything out that wasn't relevant. I have a list to prepare my car to enable me to enter almost anything, at least that's the theory

[rally1380]

Lol, sorry to scare you. I thought I took everything out that wasn't relevant. I have a list to prepare my car to enable me to enter almost anything, at least that's the theory

 

Best way....i'm doing mine so i can do both Historic and 'normal' road rallies.....plus with an eye on historic stage stuff in the future.  Kinda do compromise in some respects but having a car I can do pretty much any event I choose is the best way.

[minisi35]

Lol, sorry to scare you. I thought I took everything out that wasn't relevant. I have a list to prepare my car to enable me to enter almost anything, at least that's the theory

 
Best way....i'm doing mine so i can do both Historic and 'normal' road rallies.....plus with an eye on historic stage stuff in the future.  Kinda do compromise in some respects but having a car I can do pretty much any event I choose is the best way.

Same here! It hurts the wallet though lol

[minispaniard]

This is a video of the West Suffolk MC Targa Rally at Debden last Sunday. Two Minis, the red one is me, at 1m 30 secs.

 

 

This one consisted on three tests run three times in the morning and twice reversed in the afternoon and timed to the second. The tests are designed to average no more than 30mph as they run under a road rally permit.

 

Results here http://www.wsmc.co.u...ay-19-2013.html

 

 

My car was double driven and despite my poor result, I'm glad to know that in competent hands it can set some decent times... I'm still learning!

 

Pros:

50 quid an entry for over 30 minutes of competition, this is better value and more fun than a track day.

No MSA competition licence required, just club membership.

No special preparation for the car required, any road legal car will do (MOT and tax). The third of the tests was quite rough and my Mini could have done with some underside protection.

 

Cons:

Since it's a road rally classes are based not on capacity but experience and there are some powerful cars... it doesn't bother me though as I do it for fun.

[keefr22]

I've been making a list of the MSA requirements for a stage rally car because it's a lot quicker than refering to the blue book, so I thought this might be a good thread to post it on. Not sure if it covers everything, so perhaps if you guys can think of anything else that would be great.

I know you stated this is a list of MSA requirements, but it's worth adding a sumpguard to it - just in case you forget...!! 

[keefr22]

As to the door issue, if you're building the car to HRCR spec does it depend on the age of the car & category you run in? As far as I can see here;

 

http://www.hrct.co.u...le-information/

 

..it's only Category 1 Mini's that can use alloy doors? There's no mention of them being acceptable in Category 2 & 3 (but fibreglass boots & bonnets are allowed in the latter two)

 

I've been thinking of preparing ours so it meets Historic stage rally specs, but it makes following the Blue Book requirements even more of a nightmare!

Edited by keefr22, 24 May 2013 - 11:02 PM.

[rally1380]

As to the door issue, if you're building the car to HRCR spec does it depend on the age of the car & category you run in? As far as I can see here;

 

http://www.hrct.co.u...le-information/

 

..it's only Category 1 Mini's that can use alloy doors? There's no mention of them being acceptable in Category 2 & 3 (but fibreglass boots & bonnets are allowed in the latter two)

 

I've been thinking of preparing ours so it meets Historic stage rally specs, but it makes following the Blue Book requirements even more of a nightmare!

 

Surely if a modification is allowed for older Cat 1 cars, then those modifications would be 'period' for Cat 2 cars also, as the modification pre-dates the years Cat 2 covers??

 

Besides, the modifications in the HRCR list are a pure guide and not infallible.  If you can provide documented evidence (books, magazine from the time) you can run those modifications as 'period'.  Thats why the copy of CCC from December 1974 is quite useful, as it features some very 'handy' modifications and just slips in the 74 date. 

 

Also, when we did a HRCR event, i really doubt our particular scrutineer would have known the difference between an A or A+ series block or even whether other bits were correct.  That said, i don't intend to cheat and do follow the guidelines as next event, the scutineer might be a mini expert. 

[keefr22]

Surely if a modification is allowed for older Cat 1 cars, then those modifications would be 'period' for Cat 2 cars also, as the modification pre-dates the years Cat 2 covers??

I thought that should be the case myself, but then read somewhere that because the homologation papers for different periods aren't always the same, with some earlier mods being dropped from later homologations (& of course new ones added)then it's only the specific mods in the specific age category homologation papers that are allowed? I'd be very happy to learn that I'm interpreting that wrongly, as it would be much easier if any mods used on in period & earlier Minis are allowed irrespective of category! I know about the providing documentation business, & just wish that I hadn't thrown all my 1970's issues of CCC & Rally Sport away....!! 
 
And as to a scrutineer knowing whether a block is an A+, I had one visit me this week to put some stickers on our new helmets & check out the cage in the Ibiza. When I told him we had the Clubman in the garage he lost all interest in the Ibiza, asked if he could see the Mini & when I showed him, he started telling me much more about it than I'd yet found out (such as having a later brake master cylinder than an in period one!) - seems he used to rally Minis back in the day,really loves the things & has a pretty in depth knowledge about them...he'd spot an A+ block straight away...!! So it would be the luck of the draw as to what scrute you got on an event!

Edited by keefr22, 25 May 2013 - 12:53 PM.

[DEPS]

Think there is a proposal to allow A+ blocks as well as later cars, but think you do need to keep in period, e.g. can't use beam axles on cat 3 cars. Bit strange as why wouldn't you use something older, but think it is the homologation papers that govern things on later cars, although I seem to remember reading that if cat 4 cars are allowed cat 3 will not need homologation papers.???

[rally1380]

Think there is a proposal to allow A+ blocks as well as later cars, but think you do need to keep in period, e.g. can't use beam axles on cat 3 cars. Bit strange as why wouldn't you use something older, but think it is the homologation papers that govern things on later cars, although I seem to remember reading that if cat 4 cars are allowed cat 3 will not need homologation papers.???

 

Yeh it is a bit dumb that they won't allow beam's in cat 3.  But its the Homologation papers which mess things up from 74 onwards.

 

Be good if they allow A+ blocks, as A series are getting harder to find for sensible money....glad I stock piled when they were cheap!  Now need to find a cheap 7 or 8 port head...ha ha...as if!!!!

[rally1380]

Seeing as we've started to talk about prepping mini's for rallying.......

 

What are the essentials for people to do to make a mini cope with rallying (be it road, stage or historic rallying) 

 

I'll start the ball rolling with echoing Keith above.....

 

SUMP GUARD (and not one of those pretend show ones....get one thats made for rallying, not show boating)

 

GOOD BRAKES (Uprated pads and racing brake fluid will do....4 pots and bigger discs if allowed)

 

RELIABLE ENGINE (No point having mega power if it all goes up in smoke...to finish first...first you must finish)

 

 

What else peeps?

[minisi35]

PROPERLY MOUNTED SEATS AND HARNESSES

 

STRONG EXHAUST MOUNTINGS

 

RUN THE LINES INSIDE

 

FIT RELAYS WHERE NECESSARY

[rally1380]

GOOD HEADLIGHTS

 

BIG SPOTLIGHTS

 

EXHAUST THAT PASSES NOISE TEST

 

'SPILL KIT' IF EVENT IS BEING HELD ON PRIVATE LAND