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[DEPS]

Hi, Don't be too quick to dump the 82 mini. Reading the HRCR magazine it would appear that there is a proposal being looked at for a new category. Category 4 will cover cars from 82 to if memory serves about 85 or 86. Although in category it would put you up against relatively modern machinery, but as Rally 1380 says on historics car performance is less critical.

[rally1380]

As DEPS said....don't go selling your car too soon!!!!

 

Where abouts in Cheshire/Staffs area are you?

 

There is another option....there is a company called HERO that hires out historic rally cars. I'm not saying its a cheap way of doing it (it ain't) but it means you could have a bash at historic road rallying (like the Tour of Cheshire) without having to prep your car at all.  It would also give you a taster, and see if historics are for you....but trust me, its great fun.

 

There is a novice road rally this weekend in north wales (shouldn't be too far from you) if you wanted to come and have a look at the format and get an idea of what to expect. We've got an entry and are seeded 29th so right in the mix.  If you are interested PM me. There are a few 'daytime' stages before the main event so a bit more speccy friendly than being out in wales at 2am!

 

As for other events in the area......to be honest Cheshire doesn't really do road rallies other than the ToC. Buxton has a road rally called the Altratech. After that you need to either go into Derbyshire or over into North Wales.  Don't let this put you off though, people travel the length of the country to do a rally!

[tomgale]

oh don't worry, the '82 is staying, I'm never selling that. Id love to come this weekend but we don't get back from uni till june. As for location in cheshire, I'm near congelton on the cheshire/staffs border

[rally1380]

oh don't worry, the '82 is staying, I'm never selling that. Id love to come this weekend but we don't get back from uni till june. As for location in cheshire, I'm near congelton on the cheshire/staffs border

 

No worries...just a thought.

 

You ain't too far from me (macclesfield area) so knutsford and district motor club might be your nearest club that actually organise things....there are other clubs but thay ain't as 'active'.

 

Have a look on their website for forthcoming events.

[Cooperman]

Knutsford & Dist. M.C. is an excellent club and highly recommended.

[domdee]

What a great thread. thanks for point it out to me rall1380 after my thread the other day!

 

I'm definatley going to enter the beaver rally this winter near me. spectated a few times and got caught up amongst the rally once or twice from moving between sections. great fun.

 

Gunna get a banger though i think, like a 106 or ka, just to get to grips with it all.

 

What insurance do you need for night road rallies?

[rally1380]

What a great thread. thanks for point it out to me rall1380 after my thread the other day!

 

I'm definatley going to enter the beaver rally this winter near me. spectated a few times and got caught up amongst the rally once or twice from moving between sections. great fun.

 

Gunna get a banger though i think, like a 106 or ka, just to get to grips with it all.

 

What insurance do you need for night road rallies?

 

Insurance wise there are two ways of doing it.

 

Each event offers insurance for the event at about £30 (ish) and that covers you for 3rd party damage and allows you to do the rally.

 

The other way is to change your insurance provider so that it covers road rallies.  I have just renewed mine with a company called David Auden Associates and they specialise in insurance for competition cars.

 

If you only intend on doing 1 rally in the year to start with, then getting 'proper' insurance probably ain't worth it and just pay the extra insurance offered by the event organisers.  But if you do a few rallies in the year, all those £30's add up so worth seeking your own cover.

 

Hope thats clear?

[domdee]

Yeah thats as clear as it could be! Thanks

[GraemeC]

Doesn't take many rallies to cover the cost of comp insurance as otherwise you have to insure the car normally and then pay the £30ish premium per event.
Comp insurance is usually little more than normal road insurance and generally covers you for all the road rallying & performance mods at no penalty (unlike road insurance!) - I pay £280/yr with an extensive list of mods!

[Archived4]

My dad paid about 280 quid iirc for a 3 litre v6 sierra road rally car, all mods declared. Cant remember which company though with ncb!

[minisi35]

I've just had a quote from heritage for £161, all mods declared though I always use the event supplied insurance as I never know how many events I will be driving.

[rally1380]

Just had my insurance through.

 

All mod's declared + Rally cover for £154.  I will definately be doing a good few rallies in the next year so well worth it for me.

 

To be honest i only really want the rally cover, as if i do have a bump and damage the car I will always do the repair work myself - obviously if the car gets stolen the insurance will come in handy!!!!!

 

 

www.rallycar-insurance.co.uk

 

0161 440 7590

[GraemeC]

Yep, just looked at mine - £160 last year, not £280 (that was for both minis)

[miniweights]

I've been making a list of the MSA requirements for a stage rally car because it's a lot quicker than refering to the blue book, so I thought this might be a good thread to post it on. Not sure if it covers everything, so perhaps if you guys can think of anything else that would be great.

 

Horn must be operable by both Driver & Navigator.

 

Two throttle return springs must be fitted on carb/s.

 

Wheel caps/embellishers must be removed.

 

Number Background on front doors at least 33cm high x 48cm wide. Numbers: 23cm high x 3.8cm thick.

 

In addition to door numbers a competition number is required displayed at the top of the rear side window with a fluorescent orange number measuring at least 25cm high with a width of at least 25mm wide.

 

Approved full roll cage with diagonal bar, door bars and roll cage protective padding. This must be non-flammable and provide protection where the driver’s and co driver’s bodies or crash helmets could come into contact with the safety cage.

 

Plastic Windows 4mm Minimum or film on all side glass.

 

Front Windscreen must be glass and laminated.

 

Seats must be FIA Approved, 5 year life.

 

Seat Mounts. Must be secured via at least 4 mounting points using minimum 8mm diameter bolts minimum with ISO 8.8 or more. Seat mount to floor must have counter plate measuring a minimum of 40 square cm and 3mm thickness. Eg 7cm x 6cm.

 

Harnesses: FIA Approved, 5 year life.

 

Battery master cut-out switch must be in reach of both crew. Must cut battery power and engine, except fire extinguishers (if electrically operated), and be mounted at the lower part of the windscreen on the scuttle panel, preferably driver’s side.

 

Battery Earth Cable identified by a yellow marking. Yellow insulation tape around the length of the earth cable will do.

 

Battery must have insulated protected terminals. Wet batteries in driver/passenger compartment must be enclosed in a securely located leak proof container.

 

Cooling pipes/hoses through driver/passenger compartment must be coloured/painted red. If non-metallic, should be internally or externally metal braided hydraulic pressure hose. Screwed hose clips (e.g. Jubilee clips) may only be used in conjunction with suitably swaged pipe.

 

Engines must be fitted with effective radio interference suppressors.

 

Fire Extinguishers: Handheld & Plumbed-in. (Must be operable by both crew, and outside car via scuttle panel. Plumbed in 2.25 litre, and handheld 2 litre minimum.

 

Fuel injected systems must be fitted with a dry break sampling coupling approved by FIA with a minimum length of 300mm.

 

Mud Flaps: All four wheels, must be 4mm beyond tyres, and not higher than 8cm from ground.

 

Doors must be as factory fitted (steel). (fibreglass, carbonfibre etc not permitted.

 

Towing Eyes 50mm loop x 6mm thick front & rear, or strap type, and clearly marked.

 

Spare Wheel and Jack etc must be securely fixed down.

 

Competition Log Book Required.

 

Hazard Warning Triangle.

 

Spill Kit.

 

SOS/OK Board.

 

First Aid Kit.

 

Noise Test: 500 rpm or ¾ of maximum rpm ½ metre 102 dBA maximum. Also from exhaust or at 8 metres 78 dBA maximum from the side of car.

Edited by miniweights, 24 May 2013 - 06:03 PM.

[rally1380]

Steel doors......really???

 

I was manning a passage control for the latest BTRDA event (Plains rally) and there where definately a few cars with doors made of very flimsey material.....A Toyota definately had fibreglass doors...as did a MK2 escort.