89 replies to this topic

[duffman]

I have a hobby thanks, another keyboard commando that hasn't read the thread. I watch very little tv what I watch is subscription, the kids watch subscription tv. I don't mind paying for subscription tv as I actually use it. I do not watch terrestrial tv channels yet I have to pay for them. Read the thread before commenting

[MRA]

I never said we don't watch tv, we don't watch terrestrial tv so why should I pay for it. Is it that hard to get your head round. I watch sattelite subscription channels like dicovery and the kids watch the Disney channels etc. Its not hard fella, listen carefully I DONT WATCH TERRESTRIAL TV BUT YET I HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. Both me and my mrs work and work hard for our money so incinuating im a scrounger is not appreciated thanks so keep your personal insults to yourself.

Ok

[Sam14]

I have a hobby thanks, another keyboard commando that hasn't read the thread. I watch very little tv what I watch is subscription, the kids watch subscription tv. I don't mind paying for subscription tv as I actually use it. I do not watch terrestrial tv channels yet I have to pay for them. Read the thread before commenting

I did read some of the thread.

Keyboard commando?..Interesting.

Live streaming of the internet, its a pc screen. Not a tv.

[duffman]

You need a licence to watch live streaming on a pc. Read the thread. If it is live breadcast be it via pc, phone or tv you need a licence to watch terrestrial channels.

[duffman]

*broadcast

[Ryang556]

Just buy a TV licence if you watch TV.

[Dan]

It would be an interesting idea to see if Sky would make a Sky only card, with the Freesat channels blocked. The opposite of a Freesat card really. If you had no antenna, a Sky only card, and just monitors without TV tuners you'd not have a problem. You wouldn't get many channels though, there is a lot on DTB and all that comes with the license. Sky themselves offer not all that much.

[duffman]

Wow, very constructive. Moron.
@Dan, you'll be supprised at what you actually get with sky to be honest. The program quality is also far superior if im honest, no crappy soaps or x factor or begging programs that want you to text it at £3 a text and all that crap. It might me worth asking them actually.

[The Principal]

I fail to see how this thread is adding to the professional reputation of this forum, its encouraging dishonest behavior

[duffman]

before any more loons jump on the band wagon, let me recap for you seeing as your too lazy to read the thread.

i currently HAVE a licence

i do NOT use any of the services it pays for ie programs, maintenance etc as all the programs i watch are sky subscription channels.

The issue is that i can't prove that i don't as to watch my subscription channels i must use a sky box which is ABLE to receive terrestrial channels.

I have offered them the opportunity to block these channels from my viewing as i don't use them to which they said they cant.

therefore i am paying for a service that i do not use. It is really that simple which is what has led me to come to such drastic measures, not for the financial benefit but on principle. I'm am paying so they can make empty head programming about singing contest's, dancing contest's, soaps, begging programs and other crap that is made for empty headed people. Its a waste of money and while ever people are paying it they will continue to make it. it is as simple as that.

[duffman]

I fail to see how this thread is adding to the professional reputation of this forum, its encouraging dishonest behavior

I agree, it does but to be fair, so do all the threads showing how to reshell a mini INCLUDING rebuild threads.
The fact is, its not illegal to know or tell people how to do it, it is only illegal when the individual does it.

[sonikk4]

Before this descends into a slagging match everybody think carefully before you reply this includes the OP.

I understand where you are coming from and the point you trying to get across HOWEVER calling people Morons or Loons is not the way to go about.

For anybody else who wants to reply to this thread please do so if you have something constructive to add otherwise please refrain from doing so.

Any more fractious comments will be deleted.

[Dan]

I would point out that the vast majority of the shows you have a problem with are not on channels that receive any licence money. I dislike all the talent shows and soaps too but you can't expect anyone to limit their audience to the extent they only make stuff certain small groups like to watch. In fact if it weren't for the licence the BBC would be more or less identical to ITV as all the bosses of both are really interested in is copying each other to steal viewers. It's only the charter that forces the BBC to make a broader range of programming and the charter only exists because of the licence. Ever tried watching TV in the US? It's impossible, we really do only get the cream of what they produce.

Also I think it's been pointed out more than enough times in the thread that not having a licence because you don't use licensed TV is not the same as stealing TV. But I think Duffman might be surprised how many of the channels are also on free to air DTB which makes them licensed channels.

[Deathrow]

Before I start with my actual post I'd just like to point out this is under the watchful eye of the Admin team and TMF does not condone acts of fraud.

duffman, flaming is against the rules and you should feel lucky not to have already received a warning.

Sadly I think a lot of the rules for when you need to have a TV license are quite confusing and I think it's more often than not people don't understand them, myself included.

My understanding is that if I watch something at the same time as it is being broadcast (be it through a TV using an aerial or through a computer using the internet) I should be paying a TV license fee.

[duffman]

Before I start with my actual post I'd just like to point out this is under the watchful eye of the Admin team and TMF does not condone acts of fraud.

duffman, flaming is against the rules and you should feel lucky not to have already received a warning.

Sadly I think a lot of the rules for when you need to have a TV license are quite confusing and I think it's more often than not people don't understand them, myself included.

My understanding is that if I watch something at the same time as it is being broadcast (be it through a TV using an aerial or through a computer using the internet) I should be paying a TV license fee.

Hang on a minute, i respond to a flaming by flaming back yet i'm the one that's gonna receive a warning?

The thing is iirc the bbc are either in partnership with sky or own shares in sky, anyway they closed that loophole. After someone actually went to court and won because they had modified there set so you couldn't receive terrestrial channels only sky........

It can be done on a set but as far as i am aware they cannot do it to a sky+ box, this is my point, not all 'free to view channels' are covered by the licence (unless this has changed recently) as there have been cases where people have been to court and proved there set has been modified so i can not receive BBC channels.

That aside, the point is that the channels i watch are subscription channels and it is only on very very rare occasions that someone watches something (the kids have watched a Disney film on film 4) that is not a subscription channel (still not BBC anyway), to which i have already pointed out i would happily block ALL free to view channels from my box/TV if it were possible.

I know the licence is supposedly for all free to view channels but in the eyes of the law, it only covers BBC channels as they are the ones who receive the money, which is why all those that proved their TV doesn't receive BBC channels won their case in court.

The point is that i am being forced to pay because they don't offer any other options. If it were subscription for instance. i am forced to pay just because i have the ability to receive those channels and i am unable to alter my box so it does not as it voids my warranty and contract with my subscription service.

In my eyes it is like being forced to pay a speeding fine because my car is capable of going in excess of the speed limit, they cannot prove i have but are fining me just in case.

Edited by duffman, 14 March 2013 - 01:37 PM.