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[darkcat_systems]

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item4162ecaacd

so im looking around and spot this, looks tidy but why on earth would it end up on a Q plate??

surely that means "car of indeterminable age" ie more than say 40% of it has been changed??

do you think they are having a laugh at that price?


Its quoite local so im tempted to have a look, but will DEFINATELY do a HPI...

[Guess-Works.com]

I'd have a look and yes, definitely run a check on the plate...

Only reason a mini should be on a Q plate is as you say, it's been extensively rebuilt, or of undetermined source... both of which would suggest a recorded accident, if it was unrecorded then there would be no reason to change the registration, especially as the seller says they have a previous record of the documentation.

Also do a check on that documentation and check the chassis number corresponds...

I suspect that the shell has come from a donor car and that is why it's on a Q

Is it worth 3.5k, imo, it's a 2k car

[darkcat_systems]

yes pretty much what i was thinking, just did a HPI, comes up clean, year of manufacture unknown.

on the price - yes i was thinking 2k, im going to take £2k cash with me, thats about what i was thinking, but i'll try for less.

obviously depending on the state of the sills, floor etc etc.

[mini93]

My minis on a Q plate... built up from parts, alot of which wasnt determined source... not stolen, the shell was one of the rover SPI development shells

[Guess-Works.com]

It does explain why in the discription.

not really... "Q plate as it was stolen and recovered a few years back" is not a reason for a car receiving a Q plate unless the theft resulted in all identification means from the car being destroyed.... which would suggest that the original vehicle was actually deemed an insurance write off, and was rebuilt with no identity.

[darkcat_systems]

My minis on a Q plate... built up from parts, alot of which wasnt determined source... not stolen, the shell was one of the rover SPI development shells

Have you had any trouble insuring it?

[mini93]

Some companys dont like them, but iv been with adrian flux for years and never had a problem

[ibrooks]

It does explain why in the discription.

not really... "Q plate as it was stolen and recovered a few years back" is not a reason for a car receiving a Q plate unless the theft resulted in all identification means from the car being destroyed.... which would suggest that the original vehicle was actually deemed an insurance write off, and was rebuilt with no identity.

Assuming the "stolen and recovered" part is correct then it's quite possible but with a little more to the story. If it was a stolen car that was subsequently used on a different log-book (like the tax exempt ones we all love seeing for sale) then it's entirely possible that the original identity couldn't be established and hence a Q-plate.

Iain

[Dan]

An awful lot of our cars, mine included, would fail any VIC check we had to take due to replacement of the scuttle panel or shell effectively removing the embossed VIN even if done legally. If you replace the panel bearing the permanant VIN you are supposed to take the car to the local DVLA office with proof and have the VIN restamped or a new one issued but nobody does. Also an awful lot of us have cars that no longer have the original engine, suspension, interior, etc. All of these things make it more likely that if it ever came down to needing to absolutely proove the identity of our car we would fail and end up being issued a Q. Any stolen/recovered has to go through the process of absolutely proving its identity if the theives have sold it on even if they haven't given it a false ID. I don't find it odd that this car has been given a Q, but since it has a history of being a stolen recovered you can be sure its history has been properly checked by the authorities at least up until that point.

[midridge2]

An awful lot of our cars, mine included, would fail any VIC check we had to take due to replacement of the scuttle panel or shell effectively removing the embossed VIN even if done legally. If you replace the panel bearing the permanant VIN you are supposed to take the car to the local DVLA office with proof and have the VIN restamped or a new one issued but nobody does.

dan, can you show us some evidence saying the car has to have a VIC check if we replace the scuttle panel and having to have the VIN restamped please.

[Dan]

That's not what I said, the car doesn't have to have a VIC check if you change the panel with the permanant VIN. I said if you get forced to take one for any reason and the VIN isn't there because the panel has been changed the car will more than likely fail, unless you have plenty of other evidence of course. The permanant VIN (as opposed to the VIN plate) is just that, it's meant to be permanant so if you have to remove it you are supposed to replace it (officially, for gods sake don't try and do it yorself) and the proper way to do that is by going to the local DVLA office, that's all. Sorry if it didn't come across right before.

[Dan]

And to add they don't enforce the restamping if you have only had the panel changed because it's just a repair and they are happy if you still have the plate or soemthing like that, but it is possible to get it done after they give you the paperwork. They care more if you have bought a new shell but again I don't know anyone who has had it done.

I used to have a link to some DVLA paperwork on this but I can't track it down now. Seems to have gone the way of the info about 3 line or backlit registration plates and other useful stuff that has all vanished. It was a big document about the process for registering a car into a new shell that I found a few years after I reshelled my car. It scared me a bit at the time because I hadn't done much of the stuff it mentioned.