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[The Matt]

I've had them on various cars. My first Mini, my old XR2 (God rest its soul), my Pug 205.... always thought they were OK, but as above, not great when they're cold. I don't have them in my current Mini though, but I can't remember what I do have in there, EBC green stuffs I think.

IMO, sellers should advise that this is the case when they are advertised really.

[blacktulip]

i cant vouch for the M1144's as ive never used them. i can vouch for the standard mintex pads though. they are all you need IMO. i find with minis its far more important to have the front and rear brakes balanced so all 4 corners work properly together. you would be surprised how many minis out there dont have efficient rear brakes.

[Mini_Magic]

If they're good enough for the track, then they sure are good enough for the road.

hhmmm, try stopping an F1 car on cold brakes on a winters morning and you might disagree.

But we're talking about Minis not F1 cars!

What I meant was the quality of parts used for motorsport are defiantly good enough for road cars (so long as they're road legal obviously).

[maggies_minder]

If they're good enough for the track, then they sure are good enough for the road.

hhmmm, try stopping an F1 car on cold brakes on a winters morning and you might disagree.

But we're talking about Minis not F1 cars!

What I meant was the quality of parts used for motorsport are defiantly good enough for road cars (so long as they're road legal obviously).

i think he's getting at the fact it takes a lot more heat to get pads used for racing upto a decent enough temperature on the road to have strong a braking ability.

[minimissionary]

So do I send these back? They're still boxed. I've had GreenStuffs on for the past 6 months and I've not really used anything else on the Mini to compare them to. I simply want a set of brake pads that will perform properly from cold (driving around Manchester City centre on cold brakes would be suicide), but be able to handle it when I'm tearing across B roads at 80mph up back 'o beyond.
What's the point in having "fast road" if they don't perform from cold? Nobody pulls out of their drive straight onto a rally course...do they?

[redhotminilewis]

Brake pads MUST be reg 90 approved before being sold for road use.

On your pad must be a reg 90 approval mark (Usually 90R and the location of the reg 90 approval - E11 for UK) and if it does not have this mark it should not be used on the road. Not saying that it will be unsafe, but it has not got the certificate to say they are officially safe. It can be an MOT fail if it the pads are checked to see if they have this marking. It is rarely/never done but if you get into a crash, you can be liable for not having brakes fit for the road.

I have had a look into the M1144 and they do not have Reg 90 approval so these are not fit for road use.

I work for EBC and I do our reg 90 approval every week on our materials to make sure they conform to this test. If you want to know a little more, this outlines it rather well http://www.juratek.com/about-r90.php

At EBC all our car materials has the Reg 90 approval (except for orangestuff as of yet) so you wont need to worry about EBC pads not being worthy for road use.

Personally ive been running redstuff for the past few weeks and work great when warm. Plus low brake dust so easy to clean the car

Sticking pads would be a calliper fault rather than greenstuff. I would advise you to check your callipers to make sure they are in good condition. Especially if you like to drive fast and brake hard.

Cheers

Lewis

[minimissionary]

Thank you very much for the clarification. They're going back to MiniSport with a somewhat heated letter. They should not be advertising them as "Fast Road" if they aren't actually legal to be used for said purpose.
Since you work for EBC, redhotminilewis, could you recommend a brake pad suited to my style of driving? I want something that has good braking from cold, but can handle higher temperatures when the going gets bumgravy.

[redhotminilewis]

Thank you very much for the clarification. They're going back to MiniSport with a somewhat heated letter. They should not be advertising them as "Fast Road" if they aren't actually legal to be used for said purpose.
Since you work for EBC, redhotminilewis, could you recommend a brake pad suited to my style of driving? I want something that has good braking from cold, but can handle higher temperatures when the going gets bumgravy.

what brake set up do you have? Do your pads look like the DP127 below?



Cheers

Lewis

[minimissionary]

The pic isn't working for some reason. I have the Surestop brake kit from MiniSport. Was on there with EBC GreenStuffs when I bought the Mini.
Phoned MiniSport about their little mishap, and advised they they change the information on their website. We'll see...

[redhotminilewis]

Heres the link if you cant see the pictures http://www.camskill....Pads_/ZOOM73315

If this is your reference we only make the DP127 in ultimax and greenstuff. If you have the cooper S brake we do them in red.

For occasional spirited driving you want the greenstuff. Great bite from cold and they do perform well above the 200'C mark when you want the performance. They will maintain around 0.5-0.55 Friction level when in the high temperatures. It doesn't take too long to get these up to temperatures as well because of the small pad area.

You said before your calliper was sticking so you may want to check that out ASAP to make sure they are in tip top condition.

[minimissionary]

Anyone else with views on brake pads? You've been very helpful redhotminilewis, but since you work for EBC, I can't help but feel this might have swayed you to be complimentary of Green Stuffs

[maggies_minder]

ive got greenstuff on mine, i stop pretty well for a mini.

they do seem to put alot of dust on my white wellers.

Edited by maggies_minder, 09 November 2011 - 03:34 PM.

[minimissionary]

Bugger it, greenstuff it is. Got some Goodridge hoses to put on with new pistons and seals. Reckon they'll do the job.

Edited by minimissionary, 09 November 2011 - 03:47 PM.

[minisi35]

I use my road rally car as my daily driver also and it has m1144s fitted, ive never had any problems and theyve been in there 2 years and done 10 100mile plus events. But i have had sticky pistons on the calipers...........

[redhotminilewis]

ive got greenstuff on mine, i stop pretty well for a mini.

they do seem to put alot of dust on my white wellers.

Yeah greenstuff can get a little mucky, but a good solution is to paint the wellers black As long as you wash your car every 2-3 weeks its easy to get off