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[1984mini25]

Exactly. There seems to be a lot of bini drivers that either look down at the classic or don't get it. So for a bini driver to want to join a group with classics, means they are more than just an a-b bini driver. Afterall, it is actually enthusiastic people that join forums. NOT cars .

I fail to see how people can call them self’s enthusiasts of the classic when they don’t even own one as well as/or instead of a Bini.

To be fair to some people on here, I was a mini enthusiast years before I owned one, if you have a normal fairly low paid job then most can't afford a second car, I needed a neat reliable car for my job an couldn't afford a mini, it wasn't until I started my company that I could afford it.

My first car was and still is a mini 6 years on, <-- that one over there to be exact. This ******** about a mini as a second car as there not reliable that particular mini has been my only daily transport regardless. I’ve never being well off, currently unemployed for a start. But it’s so cheap to keep on the road I’ve never seen much point it replacing it with a modern euro box. Hence why I’ve still got it and take no interest in the Bini or any other modern car for that matter.

Yes I have had the odd brake down and 'road side repair', but only once in 6 years and nearly 20k have I had to be towed home because the clutch failed. Witch isn’t too bad considering its a 26 year old mini.

[E.L.M.O]

guys what is going on here

this is the internet isnt it ? theres no need to get so uppety over wether there should be X section created or not...

if it happens then great for those who might use it, if not then dont panic, the world will still revolve.

TMF members should take it as a positive, new MINI owners want to be part of youre forum. They arent asking you to be part of theirs.

Come on man..... really? You promise the world will still revolve, do ya? Do ya really promise?! It was a legit worry man! lol

Its picture talking time!


It is a nice complement that BINI owners want to have a section on here. It makes me proud to think that the forum is that good. Doesnt mean that It should be granted. If a gay guy came on to me, I would be flattered, but just because he wants some action doesn't mean he is going to get it!

Honestly, the legit worries are that Bini would eventually take over the forum. It wouldnt stay as just one section. I dont see any reason why there cant be a forum dedicated to classic minis and a forum for BMW minis. Think of the future. Wouldnt it be nice to know there really is a dedicated classic forum when there really are only a few minis on the road? By that time, this would be a BMW freenzy where classics find it hard to find the info they want.

You know something? There are certain people on here that just keep repeating the same stuff over and over again!

So a valid argument can only be made once? I agree in an ideal world a point only needs to be made once. But in reality we live far from an ideal world. So repeats are valid and necessary evil it would seem. If a poster makes a good point, then someone comes along with an argument that has already been answered, they aren't allowed to post the same thing again? Of course we will be going over and over the same points again. So many people come onto this thread and post their thoughts without actually reading what's been posted already. (which is fine, they are allowed their view even if they have read whats been posted.) But the same responses to that will come out again wont they.


I am also starting to get pretty fed up with dave585 and other people insinuating that just because someone doesnt want a BINI section on a classic mini forum, they MUST be the people that either damage other peoples property, or insult people and call their car a pile of poo. I dont want a BINI section for very VALID reasons, But I dont go around damaging peoples cars thank you very much.

Dont tell me I got rose tinted glasses on, I can see the future all to clear. I am also not stuck in the past (10 years you said right?) After all Ive just bought a colour TV! I also hear you can get one of those walk about phones? I am going to get one of those also! How cutting edge! !!! I like to look at things from every angle and consider all options and it is still my opinion that a BMW Mini section would ultimatly be bad for classic mini owners on this forum.

I have actually been known to talk to and drink with people camping next to me at shows who are with BINIs. total strangers I have struck up a conversation with. Is that a shock to you? It must be because you seem to have "us" plasted as the BINI Nazis.

Edited by E.L.M.O, 08 January 2011 - 08:12 PM.

[Beej123]

Exactly. There seems to be a lot of bini drivers that either look down at the classic or don't get it. So for a bini driver to want to join a group with classics, means they are more than just an a-b bini driver. Afterall, it is actually enthusiastic people that join forums. NOT cars .

I fail to see how people can call them self’s enthusiasts of the classic when they don’t even own one as well as/or instead of a Bini.

To be fair to some people on here, I was a mini enthusiast years before I owned one, if you have a normal fairly low paid job then most can't afford a second car, I needed a neat reliable car for my job an couldn't afford a mini, it wasn't until I started my company that I could afford it.

My first car was and still is a mini 6 years on, <-- that one over there to be exact. This ******** about a mini as a second car as there not reliable that particular mini has been my only daily transport regardless. I’ve never being well off, currently unemployed for a start. But it’s so cheap to keep on the road I’ve never seen much point it replacing it with a modern euro box. Hence why I’ve still got it and take no interest in the Bini or any other modern car for that matter.

Yes I have had the odd brake down and 'road side repair', but only once in 6 years and nearly 20k have I had to be towed home because the clutch failed. Witch isn’t too bad considering its a 26 year old mini.

Lucky you, most minis arnt like this and most spend time off the road for upgrades or repairs etc. BUT i see your point, all i was saying is that not owning one doesnt mean you arnt an enthusiast

[E.L.M.O]

Who would consider leaving tmf if a new mini section was made?

Just so I can send a list to the mental health association.

Me.

And my reasons (which you would know if you had read this thread... meaning I have to repeat myself meaning my previous comment about why the same things keep coming up is even more apparent)

...Because this would no longer be a relevant forum for me. I want to go to a site dedicated to the classic mini. I dont want to read about something I am not interested in. Logistically I do not believe that a BMW section could successfully be integrated into this forum without it bleeding out all over the place, I use the new posts button all the time, I very much doubt that you could build a system that would mean that the BINI posts dont show up on that. so I would always have to sort through BINI posts to find the new Classic minis posts. And it is VERY obvious that eventually this forum would be mostly BMW Mini meaning the classic mini enthusiasts left have a very diluted site to go to that wouldnt be as beneficial to them as it could have been. In fact, it would more than likely be pretty useless to a classic mini owner. So therefore this would no longer be the sort of site I am interested in, and I would leave.

So whats your point....? I must be mad?

Edited by E.L.M.O, 08 January 2011 - 08:03 PM.

[mab01uk]

VW Beetle
VW Golf
Fiat 500

All made by the original company?..................in VW's case where does that leave their brands Audi, Seat, Skoda, Lamborghini, Bentley (bought from BMW) and Bugatti?
and Fiat............. Alfa Romeo, Lancia, Ferrari, Masserati and soon Chrysler's brands all owned or in Chryslers case, soon to be taken over by Fiat?

Funny I don't remember Rover being part of BMC and making any Mini's in the 1960's surely it was Austin and Morris, themselves arch rivals and competitors until Austin took over Morris to form BMC in 1952.
Rover were a completely seperate large luxury car manufacturer bought by Leyland in 1967 to add to Standard Triumph before the eventual Leyland takeover of BMC to form British Leyland in 1968.

Edited by mab01uk, 08 January 2011 - 07:58 PM.

[Scallywag630]

VW Beetle
VW Golf
Fiat 500

All made by the original company?..................in VW's case where does that leave their brands Audi, Seat, Skoda, Lamborghini, Bentley (bought from BMW) and Bugatti?

What have Audi, Seat, Skoda, Lamborghini, Bentley to do with the Beetle or Golf??? These models were always made by VW.

and Fiat............. Alfa Romeo, Lancia, Ferrari, Masserati and soon Chrysler's brands all owned or in Chryslers case, soon to be taken over by Fiat?

Ditto about the Fiat 500. Again, always made by Fiat

Funny I don't remember Rover being part of BMC and making any Mini's in the 1960's surely it was Austin and Morris, themselves arch rivals and competitors until Austin took over Morris to form BMC in 1952.
Rover were a completely seperate large luxury car manufacturer bought by Leyland in 1967 to add to Standard Triumph before the eventual Leyland takeover of BMC to form British Leyland in 1968.

I don't remember BMW having anything whatsoever to do with the creation of the mini. They just bought the right to the name purely for financial reasons and then used their corporate muscle to force some mini part suppliers out of business. They designed a larger, totally seperate car and, to cash in on mini's heritage, put the MINI badge on it.

You can put lipstick on a pig etc....

[minispaniard]

I have just finished reading the 24(!!) pages of this thread. well, I must admit I skipped the last 4 as I felt it was being quite repetitive... I only have a couple of things to say (and the first one, though it has been mentioned on here, it might be a bit off-topic):

1. (question directly addresed a mab01uk) you said this year L2B is sponsored by both MiniWorld and New MINI magazines, I din´t know that. is New MINI providing run tickets like MiniWorld?

2. An this is my actual opinion on the topic. I can´t see the point on having a BINI section on TMF as there are multiple other forums specialized (sp?) on them. I am one of those on the thought that Minis and and new MINIS share nothing more than the name and they shouldn't even attend the same shows, and in case they do they should be on different allocated areas unless they are in a club stand (in that case I would suggest BINIS to be at the sides).
If eventually TMF were to include a BINI section, please do it with a link from the Home site as it have been suggested before...

Please mind that I use the word BINI in a non-disrespectful way at all (I don´t like the work Cini on THIS forum, I must add....) Also as a link to my club site appears in my signature, I must explain that this is only my personal opinion. EMC welcomes both classic and new ones.

[dave585]

I have just finished reading the 24(!!) pages of this thread. well, I must admit I skipped the last 4 as I felt it was being quite repetitive... I only have a couple of things to say (and the first one, though it has been mentioned on here, it might be a bit off-topic):

1. (question directly addresed a mab01uk) you said this year L2B is sponsored by both MiniWorld and New MINI magazines, I din´t know that. is New MINI providing run tickets like MiniWorld?

2. An this is my actual opinion on the topic. I can´t see the point on having a BINI section on TMF as there are multiple other forums specialized (sp?) on them. I am one of those on the thought that Minis and and new MINIS share nothing more than the name and they shouldn't even attend the same shows, and in case they do they should be on different allocated areas unless they are in a club stand (in that case I would suggest BINIS to be at the sides).
If eventually TMF were to include a BINI section, please do it with a link from the Home site as it have been suggested before...

Please mind that I use the word BINI in a non-disrespectful way at all (I don´t like the work Cini on THIS forum, I must add....) Also as a link to my club site appears in my signature, I must explain that this is only my personal opinion. EMC welcomes both classic and new ones.

Mini world is now owned and printed by Kelsey publications after being sold to them last year.
They also print modern mini and are now jointly sponser shows like L2B and Stanford hall. This had to be a good thing for organisers of shows.

[Scallywag630]

Did Kelsey not just continue the MINIWORLD sponsorship program? You make it sound like modern mini are sponsoring L2B etc.

[dave585]

Did Kelsey not just continue the MINIWORLD sponsorship program? You make it sound like modern mini are sponsoring L2B etc.

Mini world is continuing the sponsorship as before but as there are keeping both mags separate they are also keeping the sponsorship separate as well.
This means that both mags will now lend there support were needed like L2B which is a massive event and just mini world at smaller events. But I suppose that this is wrong now?

[minispaniard]

well aware of that, Dave!!!

so from your answer , though not directly I take that Modern MINI is providing tickets to its readers (??)...

Good for organisers I guess, not very sure if it's any good for me...

cheers

[Scallywag630]

Did Kelsey not just continue the MINIWORLD sponsorship program? You make it sound like modern mini are sponsoring L2B etc.

Mini world is continuing the sponsorship as before but as there are keeping both mags separate they are also keeping the sponsorship separate as well.
This means that both mags will now lend there support were needed like L2B which is a massive event and just mini world at smaller events. But I suppose that this is wrong now?

Not wrong, but I hope LSMOC keep an eye on it. If Modern Mini start providing tickets it could turn into a bini run. The run was created for the classic mini and, as there are limited numbers of tickets available, I think the classic minis should get them first.

[dave585]

Mini World will still publish the entry form for L2B as normal in the next issue of the mag, as for the entry form being in modern mini i not 100% sure as there is no mention of it in this issue. If it is then fine and would only be in there if the LSMOC wish it to be, you or i cant force them in to it and its up to more classic owners then to take part. As its based on a first come format then its up to people to get their forms in quickly and not hang around. If they want them there it is only for them to get more owners to take part and enjoy the day. Last year the percentage of new minis was very low compaired to classic minis, most were there with clubs and after being invited to take part on the run, I had emails asking for me to enter show and shine. What you must relise is that a number of clubs are now taking in the new mini and have a good mix of both cars and enjoy shows together if would be unfair for some people out there to say sorry you cant take part because of the car you drive, like wise someone saying sorry you cant take part because youve got a 70s clubman or a zeemax mini with a bike engine in it!
Alot of people come on to forums moaning about new minis at shows well they are there because they have been asked to or have applied for tickets to show there cars off. If more classic owners went to show there minis off in the display area then great but as i have said before i have been to many shows over the years and can count the massive amount of empty spaces were clubs have booked spaces and have either not turned up or have 2 minis on a stand space booked for 10+ cars, were has clubs that have just new or a good mix of both like ours are put on tiny club stands but have loads of cars. Its all being well to moan but if people cant make the effort then why should they complain about. Last year there was loads of empty stands at Himley hall.
If Modern MINI and Mini world are both putting cash in to shows as the cost of running them gets higher then thats good, but still not good enough for some.
Last year we went a run with NMC around the roads of wales for the week end, it was manly all New MINIs but my friend wanted to do it so he came along. The car he drove was his 1999 Downton sports touring and was the only classic mini there out of 30 MINIs. He was made so welcome and to feel part of the group, he was given the award for car of the weekend and the amount of people who loved it was great, not once was he made to feel unwelcome, now it the tables were the other way i wonder what would happen?

Edited by dave585, 09 January 2011 - 08:36 AM.

[minispaniard]

I fully understand and agree with this last post, except the last bit..

I can understand lots of New MINIS in a marque show but, again, unless there are part of a club stand (in which case is up to each club to place them how they want) I think they should be in different areas.

If we are talking about runs (as oppose to a static show) I don't mind at all if there are cars that are not Minis, as the point of a run/rally is enjoying the drive of your own car and not, that much, looking at the others. I wouldn't mind having a few Aston Martins joining for a drive on the beautiful countryside!!

About the last bit of your post, in my club we welcome everyone. For us it doesn't matter if you drive a Mini, a BINI... or a Saxo!! as long as you have the right attitude you will feel welcome or, at least, we'll try our best.

Last year I attended a Motor show (multi marque, classic and new) and came across a big representation of a Mini/MINI club that have both classic and new ones (sorry, can't remember the club name). We eventually started talking to its members and it was a shock when they said that the Essex Mini Club didn't want BINIs. We have never said that and nor we give that impression (!!) , as said before, everybody's welcome. It's a matter of personal attitude, not of what car you drive!!!

[mattdc2r]

With regards to the cmment about mini's being 2nd cars and not being reliable.
That isn't the reason I run a second car. My mini has an original 40k miles on the clock. Painteork isn't great, but it will be.
I just don't want to drive it everyday. I cover thousands of miles a year travellng up and down the motorway to see friends and family. I drive to work, the shopsand park in a car park at the gym where generally the spaces are too small and be cars are too damn big 4x4's, big BM's, Audis etc. Some of them drivers really are arrogant ******* and won't be even slightly bothered about banging the door into a 25 year old mini.

6 year back I watched from the window Of the gym as a Porsche cayenne driver put his sportsbag on the roof of my old mini whilst he clambered into his car, then leaned over and grabbed his bag.
By the time I'd got down there, he'd gone and all that was left, was some nice scratches on my roof from the metal bits on the bottom of his bag.

The car I take to the gym now, never gets cleaned, so is so filthy (covered in road saltand grime) people don't want to park next yo it, just in case they brush up against it lol.

Edited by mattdc2r, 09 January 2011 - 11:44 AM.