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[mab01uk]

As for L2B I believe the organisers asked for MINIs to join in and last year out of 100% only 5% were new so yes that's taking over! And as it first come then it's up to them how many are let in.

As for L2B your belief is incorrect, they just didn't look closely at reg numbers.

Not completely sure what is mean't by your statement but just for the record my local club the London and Surrey Mini Owners Club (LSMOC), organisers of the L2B, are a MINI friendly club and have always actively encouraged MINI's to enter the run and show 'n shine, etc. and next year the event will be jointly sponsored by Miniworld and Modern MINI magazine...........

From LSMOC website:
New Mini
Just a short note here - the club is founded on promoting Mini-motoring, safe motoring, fun and friendship. Any enthusiast is welcome. We have a wide range of opinions in the club which we believe is healthy, ranging from those who are die hard Classic Mini enthusiasts, to those who already own both Classic Minis and New Mini. We welcome those who wish to join us in having fun.

The London & Surrey Mini Owners Club is one of the largest Mini Clubs in the UK.
The Club exists to offer owners of all Minis, from 1959 to the present day, an opportunity to have fun with their car.
Your car may be a pristine, concours quality machine or it may be suffering from years of abuse. It may be straight out of the MINI showroom or it may be in hundreds of boxes in the shed. We welcome anyone who has an affection for this great little car.
http://www.lsmoc.org/

[charie t]

What would it take for you to understand thay by asking for your own section IS asking for special treatment?

I don't think Tanya is asking for special treatment but acceptance that the bmw mini is part of classic mini scene, and as this is a "BMW mini tollerant" yet the car still gets openly slated and abused. Can like minded people not discuss their cars with others without the abuse is what she is saying, not a technical section but a general, like the engine conversions. Some feel it is wrong to be putting another engine in

[E.L.M.O]

Well that's the issue as always isnt it. Interpretation.
If it was only acceptance then that could be accommodated. This is how ever a BINI tolerant forum. But its not all she wants is it, it doesnt stop there.... For me demanding a special section is asking for special treatment.

At least a hybrid mini is made from certain mini parts, even if its only a shell. The BINI only shares the name. Thats it.

Edited by E.L.M.O, 28 December 2010 - 01:39 PM.

[mattdc2r]

Wow, this is one hell of a response.

I was asking about a seperate area, not to make Bini owners feel special, more to stop winding up classic mini die hards and ruining perfectly sensible threads by Bini owners/new forum members. I love my classic, but it's low mileage and I want it To be my fun car, cherished and with far more time and money spent on it than is healthy.
I just like the idea of a bini being my daily runner, as I think quite a few on this forum do already. At a guess I'd say there are more owning both than say a Suzuki engined mini. I don't want to join mini2 or any of the other forums. I like this one!

[mab01uk]

At least a hybrid mini is made from certain mini parts, even if its only a shell. The BINI only shares the name. Thats it.

Here is a link to a VW Golf GTi forum, it has a special section for all Marks of Golf GTi from 1 to 6 and no doubt a section for the latest Mk7 will be added when it is launched 2012.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/
I doubt any significant Mk1 Golf parts are found in later cars they all only share the name..............thats progress, as a mechanical engineer myself, I can not imagine any significant part of a classic Mini that could have been used in the new MINI either!

The Rover/BMW 'Minki' development Mini's long ago proved a facelift and modern engine/gearbox upgrade simply could not offer the level of crash test performance, driving position, nor the refinement required by todays buyers in a modern Mini. The problem Rover and BMW had in designing a replacement Mini was the normal evolution process had not taken place due the lack of investment by various owners of the Mini since the first Issigonis 9x update from 1968 was canceled by the Leyland takeover. After 1959 the Mini, as a car design had not advanced at all allowing the competion to catch up and ultimately overtake, (good for us as classic Mini lovers and enthusiasts for the extended lifespan but not good for sales which declined from the mid-1970's, for company profits or for design/investment in a future replacement). The Issigonis 9x could have been one of the first small hatchbacks in the world..........
Therefore several 'might have been' re-generations of the Mini had never taken place. To design the New MINI both Rover and BMW designers and engineers tried to think what might have happened every 10 years or so, how might it have happened and what should a fouth or fifth generation Mini look like? The MINI design chief said in 2000, 'In 40 years we have missed out three or four intermediate versions. So we tried to think how those "missing" cars might have turned out......not as a retro designed Mini but as an 'evolution.'

Edited by mab01uk, 28 December 2010 - 02:48 PM.

[Bungle]

the big difference is all golfs are made by VW

now lets say VW let the golf die and for what ever reason BMW bought the name and made their own golf

do you now think that VW golf forum would now have a section for the BMW golf ?

[Shifty]

the big difference is all golfs are made by VW

now lets say VW let the golf die and for what ever reason BMW bought the name and made their own golf

do you now think that VW golf forum would now have a section for the BMW golf ?

I may be wrong here but itsn't that vw and vw-audi?

[Scallywag630]

I don't think Tanya is asking for special treatment but acceptance that the bmw mini is part of classic mini scene, and as this is a "BMW mini tollerant" yet the car still gets openly slated and abused. Can like minded people not discuss their cars with others without the abuse is what she is saying, not a technical section but a general, like the engine conversions. Some feel it is wrong to be putting another engine in

The point Tanya is missing is that the BMW MINI is NOT part of the classic mini scene. No matter how much BMW want to be accepted, it is made by another company, is bigger and is not a classic. 99% of BMW MINI owners don't care about, know about or even think there car has anything to do with the classic mini. The remaining minority just want to cash in on a heritage that their car does not deserve. We have more members with VWs than BMW MINIs so why should we give the MINI more consideration than the VW?

[mab01uk]

the big difference is all golfs are made by VW

now lets say VW let the golf die and for what ever reason BMW bought the name and made their own golf

do you now think that VW golf forum would now have a section for the BMW golf ?

Based on VW's history thats all pretty irrelevant in todays multi-national world, the Mini brand never actually died only thanks to BMW from 1994, the 2001 Mk1 MINI was designed mainly at Gaydon by hundreds of Rover engineers and the current Mk2 is still built at the ex-Morris Mini factory site in Cowley Oxford.

We also have Chinese MG's, Indian owned Jaguars and Land Rovers, Fiat 500's that are built in a Ford factory in Poland, not Italy..........the world has changed not necessarily for the better, look what is happening to Cadburys if you want to see ruthless legal destruction of a competitors factories and workforce in a short space of time........

Anyway the Golf is now just part of a common platform used for a group of car manufacturers taken over by VW over the years, badged up as Skoda, Seat, Audi, etc. The MINI platform is still at least unusual in that it is unique to the MINI and not shared with any other manufacturer.

Edited by mab01uk, 28 December 2010 - 03:31 PM.

[mini93]

can someone hit that jukebox...seem to be skipping back over the same stuff over again bla bla bla bmw was rover after 94...yep...because their the same...whos to say if it wasnt bmw it would have been someone else...actualy dont answer that because no doubt just throw a link up to some boring ass website that i wont read

[mab01uk]

can someone hit that jukebox...seem to be skipping back over the same stuff over again bla bla bla bmw was rover after 94...yep...because their the same...whos to say if it wasnt bmw it would have been someone else...actualy dont answer that because no doubt just throw a link up to some boring ass website that i wont read

But this thread, like any, is not compulsory reading for anyone not interested in the discussion or others points of view.................

Edited by mab01uk, 28 December 2010 - 03:33 PM.

[mini93]

but you have to agree after a certain amount of time, it appears to be the same argument and counter arguments just that apparently this ones been left open for alot longer than usualy because it appears its not actualy against any singular person

[Scallywag630]

This thread is now mainly pointless as the OP was asking for a seperate MINI section. At present the answer to his request is no. There were several other points raised, mainly trying to justify having a MINI section, but the answer is still no. The official word was that BMW MINI owners would POLITELY be redirected to a more appropriate site (MINI2 was mentioned). Dave 565 decided that he would start another forum to cater for both MINI and mini and asked if we would redirect those we could not help. This was agreed.

I think that about sums up the last 19 pages, but somehow I doubt that this is the end.The one thing that sticks out is that MINI owners are desperate to be accepted here and I doubt they will let this thread end....watch this space for a response pro MINI !!!

[mab01uk]

I don't think Tanya is asking for special treatment but acceptance that the bmw mini is part of classic mini scene, and as this is a "BMW mini tollerant" yet the car still gets openly slated and abused. Can like minded people not discuss their cars with others without the abuse is what she is saying, not a technical section but a general, like the engine conversions. Some feel it is wrong to be putting another engine in

The point Tanya is missing is that the BMW MINI is NOT part of the classic mini scene. No matter how much BMW want to be accepted, it is made by another company, is bigger and is not a classic. 99% of BMW MINI owners don't care about, know about or even think there car has anything to do with the classic mini. The remaining minority just want to cash in on a heritage that their car does not deserve. We have more members with VWs than BMW MINIs so why should we give the MINI more consideration than the VW?

Like it or not the MINI is a growing part of the 'Mini' scene in general around the world. Many of the people building and engineering it are the same Rover workers in Oxford with long years of service, visit the factory on a tour and see for yourself. (I joined a British Manufacturing Company 25 years ago, it is has changed to foreign ownership and name several times, is now American owned but the many of the workers, local management and buildings, factory are the same...........it happens in a global economy), the Mini was not a classic for the majority of the 35+ years I have owned one but it made no difference to me then or now, the R53 MCS will be the first MINI to become a classic without a doubt, no one has the % figures for what MINI owners care about...........but most of the 'enthusiast' MINI owners I know or have met know and care about the classic, VW has no connection with the Mini unlike MINI but could perhaps be catered for in a members 'other cars' section as on some other forums if demand was there......

[Scallywag630]

This thread is now mainly pointless as the OP was asking for a seperate MINI section. At present the answer to his request is no. There were several other points raised, mainly trying to justify having a MINI section, but the answer is still no. The official word was that BMW MINI owners would POLITELY be redirected to a more appropriate site (MINI2 was mentioned). Dave 565 decided that he would start another forum to cater for both MINI and mini and asked if we would redirect those we could not help. This was agreed.

I think that about sums up the last 19 pages, but somehow I doubt that this is the end.The one thing that sticks out is that MINI owners are desperate to be accepted here and I doubt they will let this thread end....watch this space for a response pro MINI !!!

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