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[WRLondon]

bini owners already know about the classics if they did any research on their cars at all

[littlemissmagic]

can i just ask, how exactly does it benefit the mini to work with the MINI??

Dont get me wrong, i have nothing against the new MINIs but i dont see how having a relationship with them benefits the mini?
BMW arent exactly making the parts to keep minis going, in fact the actually tried to stop anything with the mini name being produced...... but either way, the cars are nothing alike!

Well said.

You look around at shows and see how much empty space there would be if MINI owners didnt turn up! plus you would moan if entry prices went up to cover the costs.
Also if every one is anti new MINI well stop using parts from them on the classic ie seats lights turbos or other bits also "classic only" clubs that are using the MINI wings logo on their club banners web sites etc use the classic wings logo then! not the new one.
It seems that many people will use MINI when its suites them but at the same time use abuse them hello pot kettle black!

Ok, first of all, meets would NOT be empty because most of the time i see classic mini owners unable to go to shows like L2B because of all the places are taken up by MINIs. L2B was started for classic minis and now many people cant go each year because of no spaces.
Secondly, my mini has no BMW parts at all, and if i was to use a part, i dont consider that its from a MINI just because it is BMW that make the parts, same as if i was to use a VTEC or anything else. Like i have said, i have no problem with MINIs, its just that they are not the same car and i dont find that a new MINI benefits my classic at all, in fact, it mostly makes life harder...

Also the classic mini wont die out as they are a qwerky little car thats cheap to insure, looks cool, cheap and easy to modify
and attracts people that want something a little different

and out perform other similar cars
thats why i bought one!

Sorry there are only about 33 thousand minis left on the road in the uk with the details from the dvla. As more youngsters past there driving test they are more likely to buy a more modern car which is cheap to insure and run also a lot safer than a mini. Why would a youth buy a mini that's going to cost them money every time it goes wrong when a more modern car would be cheaper.
As it's been said before and as you seem to be the type of person unwilling to listen to people that have been in the mini family longer than you've been alive minis are getting older and like other classic cars the numbers will fall as people get older and need space for families and more reliable cars for work then you will find that the number of minis will get less and less just like morris minor etc this is not what people want and unless things change you will see the new minis getting more popular and have a growing fan base were as the classics will dwindle. It may take a number of years but it will happen.

not true at all!! people stil buy minis as their first car, and the new MINI is no where near affordable as a first car yet! 2001/2002 MINIs still go for around 3k..... i dont count that as affordable....
My mini was my first car and its been MORE reliable than any Ford KA, or Polo or MINI could ever be AND has been unbelievably cheap.
Not to mention that most mini drivers know how to look after their car and do the basic maintence at the very least unlike alot of new car drivers (and this is a general thing, not aimed at MINIs) who dont know a single thing and think that putting on an air filter and tinting the windows will make it go quicker.....

at this stage i don't think the TMF team are in a position to know what they can offer BMW members

if we did would we need more band width etc

would we end up turning classic owners away if the forum was taken over by BMW owners

do we have enough technical knowledge on the forum to support a BMW technical section and who could we ask for help, these cars aren't very DIY friendly

do we want to fall out with mini2 and take their members

is having more members on this forum a good thing, everyone says TMF is not as good as it was with fewer members

all these points and more will have to be addressed in the staff room before we even thing about having a vote

i think there would be a surprising number of people leaving or not joining if it became a mini/MINI forum. Also, not enough people here know the advice to give. Isnt that the whole point of this forum, that it is for CLASSIC MINIS, MINI2 has the information for people that need advice on BMW MINI
I think they are all VERY good points to indicate why we shouldnt have a MINI section

If there is going to be one, then how about maybe doing what say minisport do on there shop, and have a whole seperate section? so its linked to tmf but the MINI posts dont come up in the mini section and only come up in the MINI section. Like a seperate forum but linked. That way you dont have to read the posts if u dont want to and solves the problem with the MINI threads clogging up the mini section

That was an idea given in an ealier but was shot down by certain people on here. This would be a brilliant idea TMF and TNMF side by side.

With all the BMW MINI forums available, why is it that a few MINI owners want to be part of a classic forum? I can understand it if they own both mini and MINI as here they will find help/advice for their minis. The BMW MINI IS a good car (my family owns 5) but it is no where near a classic and is certainly not worth all the effort of making new sections, altering TMF in anyway when there is plenty of advice/help and MINI enthusiasts on MINI dedicated forums.

Agreed



This is a forum for the CLASSIC mini!!! If you have both, or even if you dont have a classic yet but are thinking of getting one then there is nothing to stop you joining and i do really like the new MINI, but this just doesnt seem like the place to go if you need help on a new MINI

[littlemissmagic]

i dont acctually see the problem with a seperate but linked forum to be honest. I mean if you dont want to be associated with the MINI section then dont click on the MINI forum section link. atleast that way there will be no more bini bashing and slagging off, both parties get what they want, and we can all live happy ever after.

the problem with that is, how long before people start getting confused and end up in the wrong section?
This can happen already and how much worse do you think it will be if advertising TMF as for classics and new MINIs?
Would get very confusing and irrating to both owners, better to keep it simple and seperate, directing MINI owners to MINI2

[E.L.M.O]

To add fuel to the fire

On one of my many trips to Ace cafe on Mini night (First Thursday of the month) I was told that the car park was full and I would have to find somewhere else to park. I argued that I could see a space but was told that this space was for BMW MINIS only. WFT?!

A BMW MINI then pulled up and was let into the car park. When I said why have you let that thing in I was told "Hey, there all Minis to me, and the same" To which I had to explain (to not much luck) that obviously there was a distinction to him because he has let a BMW in and not a classic, therefore what does he mean they are all the same when he is playing favouritism to a BMW MINI

[minidream94]

i dont acctually see the problem with a seperate but linked forum to be honest. I mean if you dont want to be associated with the MINI section then dont click on the MINI forum section link. atleast that way there will be no more bini bashing and slagging off, both parties get what they want, and we can all live happy ever after.

the problem with that is, how long before people start getting confused and end up in the wrong section?
This can happen already and how much worse do you think it will be if advertising TMF as for classics and new MINIs?
Would get very confusing and irrating to both owners, better to keep it simple and seperate, directing MINI owners to MINI2

Thats what mods are for my friend to move the wrong thread into the right forum
Another thing that would also benefit, would be that new members to the MINI part of the forum can go through the mini part of the forum and see how nice the real mini is and this may convince him to buy a classic thus keeping the classics going
It wouldnt get confusing though

Edited by minidream94, 26 December 2010 - 07:55 PM.

[WRLondon]

lol! was that woth the pickup too?
jeez

[Tanya]

i dont acctually see the problem with a seperate but linked forum to be honest. I mean if you dont want to be associated with the MINI section then dont click on the MINI forum section link. atleast that way there will be no more bini bashing and slagging off, both parties get what they want, and we can all live happy ever after.

the problem with that is, how long before people start getting confused and end up in the wrong section?
This can happen already and how much worse do you think it will be if advertising TMF as for classics and new MINIs?
Would get very confusing and irrating to both owners, better to keep it simple and seperate, directing MINI owners to MINI2

I can live with a little confusion and misplaced posts if it means we have the opportunity to get MINI owners interested and involved in mini. You can choose to be irritated or not (oh yes you can!) and maybe if we are friendly and helpful when MINI members misplace their posts, they will hang around and we may get them hooked on mini. If I was very naughty, I may accidently misplace a post that may entice MINI owners to be interested in mini, in their area. I wonder if I would get very told off!

[littlemissmagic]

its not about be 'small minded' or irrated!!!
its about the fact that MOST people on here own classic minis and dont know enough to be able to give helpful and good advice to new MINI owners

Its in their best interests to go the places with the most information and people who can help!!

oh and minidream94, what your saying is, we should make the mods work even harder than they already do and give them a whole load more work when there is already a forum for BMW MINIs that works fine?!

[Shifty]

Some posts removed, this is a good discussion and it WON'T be ruined by petty insults, lets not have anymore.

[littlemissmagic]

This is turning into one of the normal threads , arguments and nothing ever happens.

exactly
and anyway this isnt up to us, if the TMF team decide they want a MINI section then that is what will happen.
But i dont see how it benefits anyone.
New MINI owners wont get the best advice because not many people on here can help
And i personally (and this is my own opinion and i am intitled to it, without it making me 'small minded'!) like that the mini forum is just for the classic mini and if i wanted to go join a BMW MINI forum then i would, to talk about NEW MINIs!

[Scallywag630]

This is exactly what some bini owners want. Soon they might be able to get classic insurance (some companies will allow it for cars over 10 years old) and then they will argue that the bini is a classic!!

To address Tanya's point of trying to keep mini vibrant and alive, how is this done by diluting the classic mini forum with BMWs? If we need to attract more enthusiasts, why start with MINI? There are plenty of classic owners who are pushed out of what is supposed to be classic events by binis.

Minidream94...haven't the mods got enough to do? Why should they have to spend time moving sections/posts about. What is wrong with bini owners using MINI2? Using your argument of MINI owners seeing how good the classic is, then why do we not include Fiesta, VW or Toyota sections? Surely they would also see the benefits and buy a classic mini.

There is another simple solution....the sign-up page could have a very polite notice stating that TMF is a forum for classic (Austin, Morris and Rover) minis and if you require help with the BMW MINI, here is a link to MINI2.

[Tanya]

This is turning into one of the normal threads , arguments and nothing ever happens.

exactly
and anyway this isnt up to us, if the TMF team decide they want a MINI section then that is what will happen.

Yes, BUT we all have a say and input into this forum and the TMF staff are here to run it for member's benefit. That is why it is important that we discuss and debate these matters so the staff can see the various opinions, points and discussions.

[Scallywag630]

This is turning into one of the normal threads , arguments and nothing ever happens.

exactly
and anyway this isnt up to us, if the TMF team decide they want a MINI section then that is what will happen.

Yes, BUT we all have a say and input into this forum and the TMF staff are here to run it for member's benefit. That is why it is important that we discuss and debate these matters so the staff can see the various opinions, points and discussions.

Technically you are incorrect. The mods/admin may very well take into account what the members say, but this is not a cooperative. It is a privately owned forum.

[dave585]

This is exactly what some bini owners want. Soon they might be able to get classic insurance (some companies will allow it for cars over 10 years old) and then they will argue that the bini is a classic!!

To address Tanya's point of trying to keep mini vibrant and alive, how is this done by diluting the classic mini forum with BMWs? If we need to attract more enthusiasts, why start with MINI? There are plenty of classic owners who are pushed out of what is supposed to be classic events by binis.

Minidream94...haven't the mods got enough to do? Why should they have to spend time moving sections/posts about. What is wrong with bini owners using MINI2? Using your argument of MINI owners seeing how good the classic is, then why do we not include Fiesta, VW or Toyota sections? Surely they would also see the benefits and buy a classic mini.

There is another simple solution....the sign-up page could have a very polite notice stating that TMF is a forum for classic (Austin, Morris and Rover) minis and if you require help with the BMW MINI, here is a link to MINI2.

So your saying then that all classic minis from 1959 to 1994 only anything else must go on other forums. Sorry as from 1994 BMW owned the name design and everything else mini related so therefore is a BMW mini, so should the owners of these car not be allowed on then?
You can't say yes as they are BMW minis.

[WRLondon]

classic shape, theres another section for other project cars
join both!