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[samsfern]

its pretty much ran in now, i havent tried a 0-60 yet, on the straights i could only just keep with the saxo till about 60mph but after that i didnt have much chance, until we got to some windy bits.

Its definately using more fuel even when i drive sensibly keeping the revs down, i use to be able to get to work and back for 20 quid a week with the old engine, i used over 30 quid last week on fuel just going to work and back, partly because i run v-power now which is 125 ish a litre where i am, ouch!

Edited by samsfern, 09 November 2010 - 08:40 PM.

[mini93]

mine will keep up with a friends saxo vts, wiped the grin off his face.

vts as in the 1.6 16v?

In which case its the same engine as my 106 GTI, with peugeot sport exhaust system and 4 branch about 130bhp or so, its deffinatly faster than my mini too and thats before i get to tinkering

[samsfern]

8v 1.6 .

[mini93]

Thats the VTR then still thought they were quite pokey but i dont know exactly

[samsfern]

shows my knowledge of modern cars, lol

[mini93]

naa, i did have to check my facts, i always got confused about the VTS and VTR, doesnt help my friends just built a saxo rally car from a VTR, which infact has a VTS engine in. got about 150bhp in his on omex ECU and thats before the jenvys go on and the Phase 4 cams go in. Ill be hoping for over 200bhp in mine when i eventualy get it built up

[samsfern]

thatll be pretty insane in a 106, not sure how much they weigh but i dont think its much.

[mini93]

yeah, it should be around 900 caged etc
not as good as my boss's car a Peugeot 205 1.9 8v GTI got 235bhp 6 speed sequential gearbox and paddle shifter

[Cooperman]

I would have thought that a Saxo VTS would cruise easily at over 85 which would be about 5800 rpm in a Mini with a 3.76. That is the gearing the original 1071 'S' had which was OK for short bursts at up to 6000, but not really as sustained revs on a long journey, and even with that shorter stroke engine cruising at anything over 75-ish was not really practical. That was back in 1963 when a 75 mph cruise was very quick.
To cruise a long-sroke 1275 A series at 5800 would be unwise as it would be really hammering the engine which would not last long. So if an engine with almost everything at the top end is installed, one must accept that you won't be keeping up with modern traffic the way a Mini with a more tolerant engine spec will.
To keep up with modern small cars could, ideally, mean a 266 cam, a really good head, a 3.2:1 diff, decent carburation, a very accurate and careful build with correct cam timing-in and a good exhaust such as a Maniflow twin-box system.

[samsfern]

my boss has bought a 205 rallye euro one or something its on twin 40's as standard and hes on about using it for enduro rallying.

[Cooperman]

The Rover 214Si/25/MGZR is the car to beat in Enduro Rallying. I built a 1330 Mini Cooper for the early Enduro events and used it on the RAC Revival Endurance Rally in 2004. I got it up to 7th out of 120 starters, but my goodness it was such hard work against modern cars with longer travel suspension. I finally went off 3 miles from the end of the last test and snapped the lower arm inner pin, that was after 1700 miles. I sold the Mini and prepared a Rover which is really competitive and easy to drive quickly. In fact, it's even quicker on most roads than my '64 Cooper 'S' rally carwhich is very full-spec.
I didn't know there was ever a Peugeot 205 with twin 40 Webers as standard and the Peugeot of choice in Enduro rallies seems to be the 106 Rallye.
In Enduro rallying the engine and transmission must be absolutely standard and even after-market mods are not allowed.

[samsfern]

the euro spec rallye had twin webers as standard, im guessing the uk spec one didnt due to emmissions.

[Flat6]

Couldn't tell you about 0-60 times for mine but it's a full weight (early) Mk3 and has run the quarter mile in 14.6s, which is comparable with something like an Impreze turbo I guess. The last time I did it I went side by side down the strip with a lovely 911 3.2 Carrera. Gave him a surprise

It's 1380 with 286 cam (which is probably what's limiting the power the most on my engine), fully prepped bottom end, Brian Slark full race head with offset valves 38/32, Aldon red, Weber 45 on maniflow steel inlet, 3.9 final drive (and 10 inch wheels), U/L flywheel, large bore maniflow manifold and exhaust etc etc

As I mentioned earlier it's fun on the road, but only for very very short journeys. After half and hour my ears are bleeding and I've got a headache (and it smells!). Cruising at anything over 60 is painful. Think very carefully about all this before building a screamer...

[1977 Loud_Mini]

Couldn't tell you about 0-60 times for mine but it's a full weight (early) Mk3 and has run the quarter mile in 14.6s, which is comparable with something like an Impreze turbo I guess. The last time I did it I went side by side down the strip with a lovely 911 3.2 Carrera. Gave him a surprise

It's 1380 with 286 cam (which is probably what's limiting the power the most on my engine), fully prepped bottom end, Brian Slark full race head with offset valves 38/32, Aldon red, Weber 45 on maniflow steel inlet, 3.9 final drive (and 10 inch wheels), U/L flywheel, large bore maniflow manifold and exhaust etc etc

As I mentioned earlier it's fun on the road, but only for very very short journeys. After half and hour my ears are bleeding and I've got a headache (and it smells!). Cruising at anything over 60 is painful. Think very carefully about all this before building a screamer...

Well the 3.9 final drive is slightly different to the 3.76 but not much. As cooperman has said a 3.44 wouldn't be practical even though i've seen a video on youtube with the 3.44 and 296SP cam seemed to keep on cam and pull away fairly easily, but i will be wanting acceleration so the 3.76 seems like a good compromise between 3.9 and 3.44.
I wouldn't really want to cruise at 85mph anyway as 70mph is ok for me and is the speedlimit on motorways and dual carriageways
The rover 214 SI has either a 3.9 or 4.2 final drive so would be quite hard keeping up with it in a mini. The metro GTI 1.4 has the same final drive as the VTR but the 5th gear is slightly taller which would give better top speed i think.

[mini93]

The rover 214 SI has either a 3.9 or 4.2 final drive so would be quite hard keeping up with it in a mini. The metro GTI 1.4 has the same final drive as the VTR but the 5th gear is slightly taller which would give better top speed i think.

cant really compair FD's of other engines, they usualy have an over drive 5th so doesnt make selection as difficult, ie you can still cruse with a 4.2 plus the overall rolling radius of the tyre will drop the revs further