46 replies to this topic

[mini danny]

why would anyone even want to scrap a mini !!!

Well your welcome to the rusty heap on my drive, come and get it. Some minis are just not worth saving, the scrap yard is where they belong especially the later ones like my MPI heap

ill have it if your gona scrap a mini

[Jacko-lah]

What happens if the vehicle were 'Stolen' ? Mind you, you don't want to be wasting police time by telling them lies.

[Carlos W]

I scrapped an old motorbike frame a couple of months ago, just dropped it off at the local breakers and sent the V5 off, got a letter back a few weeks laters saying "Thankyou for letting us know you're no longer the keeper of this vehicle" Looks like I was just in time Phew!

The point of these end of life vehicle places is to make sure the hazardus bits of the car, (battery, fuel, fluids, tyres etc) are disposed of properly, but, obviously if you've only got a shell you haven't got any of that!

I can see approved places charging a fortune for this service as there's no choice other than to get rid of it through them. So they're going to win by charging you for safe disposal of the nasty bits, then win by selling on the scrap metal!

[R1mini]

ill have it if your gona scrap a mini

All the good stuff is sold sorry recycled, there is literally a very rusty shell, with no doors and a V5, everything else has been sold or being used for my other mini because of the amazing amount rust, but if you really want it...

David

[mini danny]

ill have it if your gona scrap a mini

All the good stuff is sold sorry recycled, there is literally a very rusty shell, with no doors and a V5, everything else has been sold or being used for my other mini because of the amazing amount rust, but if you really want it...

David

nah would love the v5 for friends mini but that illegal and if people kept on top of the rust then it woundnt end up so rusty that there no piont fixing it

[POWER5LAVE]

why would anyone even want to scrap a mini !!!

When i had my old mini wrote off it twisted the whole shell meaning the car was worthless, i stripped it down giving alot of part away to many members of the forum and kept anything that i wanted and needed for my other mini. Then the complete empty shell wasn't taken away and scrapped.

I would of loved to have turned it into a trailor but because the WHOLE shell was twisted it had to go. And don't get me wrong danny the day it went off on the back of a trailor was such a upsetting momment for me but life goes on and i now own a bright orange shed lmao.

Edited by POWER5LAVE, 19 September 2010 - 10:39 PM.

[Ethel]

A few years back they were talking of putting an environmental surcharge on every new car sold to cover the disposal costs when it reaches the end of its life. I don't know what happened, as it was a much more viable proposition than trying to get cash out of the hard up individuals who run old bangers on their last legs - if you ask someone to pay to dispose of an old car when they could barely afford to run it before it died, it's quite likely they will find an alternative - one where, you won't get to faff over safely disposing of the hazardous bits. The EU pays stupid subsidies to local authorities over recycling and landfill - a few Euros set aside to help individuals make responsible choices wouldn't hurt.

Recycling is good, but not using the stuff in the first place is better - increasing the service life of a car means less need to be made.

So much for the scrappage scheme eh? From paying £2k a pop to anyone with several grand to spare to put a new car on the road in place of any old one, as long as it's roadworthy; to charging the poorest to get shut when theirs finally gives up the ghost.

[Jacko-lah]

There's nothing illegal in selling a parts off a car is there ? So when everything is sold, there's nothing dangerous to recycle. Must write to my MP.

[BMH]

All i currently do when i tow a car in for scrap is give them the logbook but retain the trade section and i then send that off with the said yards name and address as they have become responsible for the car.

Bryan

[1293sleeper]

this could be interesting for me. i have a car registered to me that no longer exists as it was scrapped i sent the documents off to tell them it was scrapped, they claim they never recieved them so i got a fine for not sorning the car and charged for a new log book so i can then send that one off to declare it scrapped but as the car was cut up over a year ago and all i have of it now is the block what the hell can i do.

[Ethel]

Sorn your block every year


They can't fine you without giving you the opportunity of your day in court and they can't enforce regulations after the event: if you told them it was scrapped before the regs came in.

I suspect a magistrate would enjoy putting them in their place - they get quite jealous of all their fun being taken away through on the spot penalties.

[GraemeC]

There is a piece on this in Car Mechanics mag - I think if you send off the old V5C with the 'scrapped' box ticked they'll honour it for now.
Apparently there is a completely new V5C being issued now that doesn't have the box on it any more.

[mab01uk]

There is a piece on this in Car Mechanics mag - I think if you send off the old V5C with the 'scrapped' box ticked they'll honour it for now.
Apparently there is a completely new V5C being issued now that doesn't have the box on it any more.

I believe the Car Mechanics article says the scrapping tick box on old blue V5C is no longer accepted as of now. The new Red V5C has no tick box option and they are now being sent out to replace everyones reg document again because thousands of the blank blue V5C forms were stolen from the DVLA a couple of years back and are constantly turning up as forged documents in the used car market!

Edited by mab01uk, 23 September 2010 - 07:31 PM.

[Bungle]

this could be interesting for me. i have a car registered to me that no longer exists as it was scrapped i sent the documents off to tell them it was scrapped, they claim they never recieved them so i got a fine for not sorning the car and charged for a new log book so i can then send that one off to declare it scrapped but as the car was cut up over a year ago and all i have of it now is the block what the hell can i do.

This will help

clicky

Below are some legal points of which I have followed.

The Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) Regulations 2002

“Change of keeper: registration document issued in Great Britain on or after 24th March 1997 and the new keeper not a vehicle trader
22. (2) The registered keeper of the vehicle -
(a) if the registration document issued in respect of the vehicle is in his possession, shall deliver to the new keeper that part of the document marked as the part which is to be given to the new keeper; and

(b) shall forthwith deliver the remainder of the registration document to the Secretary of State, duly completed to include the following -
(i) the name and address of the new keeper;

(ii) the date on which the vehicle was sold or transferred to the new keeper;

(iii) a declaration signed by the registered keeper that the details given in accordance with paragraph (i) are correct to the best of his knowledge and that the details given in accordance with paragraph (ii) are correct; and

(iv) a declaration signed by the new keeper that the details given in accordance with paragraphs (i) and (ii) are correct.”
Interpretation Act 1978

7 References to service by post

“Where an Act authorises or requires any document to be served by post (whether the expression “serve” or the expression “give” or “send” or any other expression is used) then, unless the contrary intention appears, the service is deemed to be effected by properly addressing, pre-paying and posting a letter containing the document and, unless the contrary is proved, to have been effected at the time at which the letter would be delivered in the ordinary course of post.”


As I previously stated I used 1st class post to “deliver” the V5 document which complies with both regulations above.


The DVLA states that I have no defence because I did not receive confirmation from them. This confirmation letter from the DVLA is not a legal requirement!


As stated in Human Rights Act 1998, Schedule 1, Article 6, section 2

“Everyone charged with a criminal offence shall be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law. "



I have no proof of posting the V5 document because I have never done so before. I also believe that I should not have to prove that I posted the V5 document and if this matter does indeed go to court it should be down to the DVLA to prove that I did not.


I look forward to receiving your comments on this matter.

it's worked in the past

[GraemeC]

There is a piece on this in Car Mechanics mag - I think if you send off the old V5C with the 'scrapped' box ticked they'll honour it for now.
Apparently there is a completely new V5C being issued now that doesn't have the box on it any more.

I believe the Car Mechanics article says the scrapping tick box on old blue V5C is no longer accepted as of now. The new Red V5C has no tick box option and they are now being sent out to replace everyones reg document again because thousands of the blank blue V5C forms were stolen from the DVLA a couple of years back and are constantly turning up as forged documents in the used car market!

I believe you may believe wrong But as ever the press aren't always correct!
Directly from the article:

Asked what happens when an old style V5C is received with the scrapped box ticked, the DVLA said "we will update our records to show that the vehicle has been disposed of to the motor trade, and advise the the keeper that they should ensure tha their vehicle is dismantled in the appropriate way via an Authorised Treatment Facility." This means that the previous keeper will be relieved of the need to tax or SORN the scrapped car, and it will be accepted that the registered keeper is no longer responsible for it. However, it will, as far as the DVLA are concerned, still exist (even if it physically doesn't) until DVLA arew advised of final destruction by an ATF.

For how long the DVLA will carry out this and leave these vehicles 'in limbo' as far as their records are concerned is anybody's guess. But by allowing the above to happen it will at least get a lot of V5Cs surrendered if people think that in the future they will have to perpetually SORN a vehicle(s) they don't have.