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[1293sleeper]

ive got a webber in the garage going on my migular 1293 lump. its got a swan neck as i also dont want to cut the bulkhead. the engine ran amasing with it on and had around 120bhp.
ill get some pitcures an measurements for you mate
ill try do it tomorrow for you, pm me you email address so i can try send some pictures over

sat

AS SAID HIS CHOICE TO RUN THE SWAN NECK MANIFOLD. IF YOU HAVNT GOT INFO DONT ANSWER!!! HE WANTS A SWAN NECK MANIFOLD NOT PEOPLE TELLING HIM NOT TO RUN ONE!

Thank you mate. I have seen what they can do n people just seem to think the swan neck turns a dcoe45 into a hs2

[Tim1970]

There's a good janspeed manifold that is 3.5" and just about squeezes the weber in without bulkhead mods with shorter rampipes and a short filter you could probably run slightly longer ram pipes with it if you were using gauze type filters like these LINK.
Vizard actually writes about this manifold in the bible and seems to rate it highly.
I've got one myself but my engine doesn't currently warrant a 45 so it lies in wait till it does.
Do you have the standard hole in your bulkhead at the moment or is it blanked?

[miniobsessed]

ive got a webber in the garage going on my migular 1293 lump. its got a swan neck as i also dont want to cut the bulkhead. the engine ran amasing with it on and had around 120bhp.
ill get some pitcures an measurements for you mate
ill try do it tomorrow for you, pm me you email address so i can try send some pictures over

sat

AS SAID HIS CHOICE TO RUN THE SWAN NECK MANIFOLD. IF YOU HAVNT GOT INFO DONT ANSWER!!! HE WANTS A SWAN NECK MANIFOLD NOT PEOPLE TELLING HIM NOT TO RUN ONE!

Thank you mate. I have seen what they can do n people just seem to think the swan neck turns a dcoe45 into a hs2

@sat
There are also many people on here who read these posts and take the info and think they are making informed choices when buying components. There are 'swan neck' manifolds and swan neck manifolds... I would vote the Australian LYNX swan neck manifold as being terrible. This is only about 2" long and the fuel/air has to navigate a tortuous route. I have also used a Warneford 'swan neck' manifold (Redline still do an equivalent). This is about 3.5" long and still allows the use of stubby ram tubes and a decent fiter infront of the standard bulkhead. This manifold while still considered a 'swan neck' item performs much much better from all aspects (power, fuel consumption, pick-up, etc...).

All of that said it won't matter which manifold you fit, if you have the car setup correctly for your components it will run. If it has 'fast bits' on it, it should go fast. But I know the 6" manifold I now have performs the best out of all of these and cutting the bulkhead has also allowed the use of a big K&N filter with nice big ram tubes which improved the way the car delivered it's power greatly.

1293,
I don't think anyone here said you're going to turn your dcoe into a hs2 but if you are actually interested in making the most out of your engine you may want to reconsider fitting a low performance manifold/carby package.
If you want good performance while keeping it all infront of the bulkhead I highly recommend This Manifold fitted with a good stubby ram tube and the best filter you can fit.

[Dave33]

ive got a webber in the garage going on my migular 1293 lump. its got a swan neck as i also dont want to cut the bulkhead. the engine ran amasing with it on and had around 120bhp.
ill get some pitcures an measurements for you mate
ill try do it tomorrow for you, pm me you email address so i can try send some pictures over

sat

AS SAID HIS CHOICE TO RUN THE SWAN NECK MANIFOLD. IF YOU HAVNT GOT INFO DONT ANSWER!!! HE WANTS A SWAN NECK MANIFOLD NOT PEOPLE TELLING HIM NOT TO RUN ONE!

Well seeing as this is a forum,then everyones entitled to there opinion,whats done with the info provided is up to the guy posting the question.
You will still get power with a swaneck,but it will be alot less than a well developed manifold,or well setup su.
The swanneck was designed so you could fit without bulkhead mods,so if minispares sell one it will fit,no need for measurements.
I guess vizard must have just made it all up...
dave

[satvinder]

im not saying that people are wrong and there info is incorrect. just that they wernt answering his question.

[Dave33]

i think as long as its relevant to the question,even if its not a direct answer then the more info they have the better.
Like said its up to them what they do with it.
The hs4 is compareable in flow and power that can be produced to a 40dcoe,
hs6,and more so hiff44, is comparebale to a 45dcoe.

As someone said,there is a very good janspeed manifold that is similar in appearence to a swanneck,but doesnt perform like one.
Wether you could fit this with ramppipes and a decent filter,without bulkhead mods,i have not tried,so this might be worth investigating.
dave

[turbominicooper]

i havent read all the replys in this forum but i believe this is the answer to your question:

[Azbornmini]

On my current Metro motor I'm running a 40 DCOE on a 3.5" Canon inlet. Also short ram pipes and K&N air cleaner. Had to put a small notch in the firewall at the lower right of speedo hole. This setup works fine for me. Not having any issues with cylinders running rich or lean (2-3 or 1-4). Tuning is much easier and throttle response is quicker. Starting is much easier as I've never had to use the choke, just turn the key, push the throttle down 3 times and it fires. When I stuffed the Metro motor in the only carburation I had at the time was the Weber setup. Since then I have picked up a pair of HS4's and a pair of HIF's, so in the next year I will be experimenting with those setups.

From what I see on the people's Minis on this side of the pond who race, seem to like the 45 DCOE with the Maniflow steel inlet. A friend of mine just picket up a Maniflow inlet and getting ready to take it to the track for testing.

If you have the motor for it the split Webers are the way to go!

This inlet had poor flow characteristics


This is the Maniflow inlet installed


This is the Weber setup on my street Mini


And a set of split Webers off the Fortech Mini

[1293sleeper]

The problem looks like it has been solved. I might of got my hands on a set of twin hs6s and a manifold

Edited by 1293sleeper, 21 June 2010 - 05:04 PM.

[Dusky]

i havent read all the replys in this forum but i believe this is the answer to your question:

was that a 3 inch manifold?