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[midridge2]

Either they know the person who did the work or theres some visible signs of the work having been carried out.
thats why i wrote this first.

The thing to check first is that it is a cojoined shell and not just fresh panels welded in.
I assume you think its 2 halfs because you can see weld right across the floor and inner sills and weld on the screen aperture panel, take a good look at the floor, is the weld right across the tunnel? is the screen aperture welded right round? if it is it most likely is 2 halfs, if not it may have just had a floor section and front part screen aperture welded in.

[tadleysimon]

i think ill avoid the car but ill clear some things up for you all,

the car is at a car club close to where i work, it belongs to a friend of a friend of a friend and the owner has said it is a cut and shut, i think he was going to grasstrack it. he has told me that the roof and load bed are pickup and the floor, windscreen ect are from a saloon, thats all i know about it.

i havent seen the pickup so i cant comment on visible welds.

like i said though, think ill avoid it

[Shifty]

i think ill avoid the car but ill clear some things up for you all,

the car is at a car club close to where i work, it belongs to a friend of a friend of a friend and the owner has said it is a cut and shut, i think he was going to grasstrack it. he has told me that the roof and load bed are pickup and the floor, windscreen ect are from a saloon, thats all i know about it.

i havent seen the pickup so i cant comment on visible welds.

like i said though, think ill avoid it

OI!!!

You can't stop this now!!

We need pictures to give us closure!!

[mini-man-dan]

ALL original Pickups should have the large round hole in the drivers side bulkhead, the same as Mk1's & 2's for the fresh air vent. If this isn't there and it's a later bulkhead something is wrong. If it's a later Pickup, it will have the Mk1 bulkhead, single bolt subframe and the wide bonnet hinges (not mk1 ones). The only way to check is the air vent hole really. If it's there, then I'd still consider it, some people do like to brag about all sorts with their cars (be in good or bad) to try and sound 'cool'.

Also check on the front of the tunnel that runs through the middle of the car for unusual welds, as on 99% of cars this is original and hasn't been patched or cut away & replaced.e

Edited by mini-man-dan, 29 April 2010 - 06:04 PM.

[tadleysimon]

OI!!!

You can't stop this now!!

We need pictures to give us closure!!

haha, ill see if i can go and have a look after riv run.

if the owner admits its a cut and shut then, it probably is. so im assuming a later bulkhead and a seam weld across the floorpan.

hopefully ill get to have a look in the week and ill get some picks up of the pick up (see what i did there!)

[minisprint]

OI!!!

You can't stop this now!!

We need pictures to give us closure!!

haha, ill see if i can go and have a look after riv run.

if the owner admits its a cut and shut then, it probably is. so im assuming a later bulkhead and a seam weld across the floorpan.

hopefully ill get to have a look in the week and ill get some picks up of the pick up (see what i did there!)

this sounds just like a pickup i seen once! it had got the rear seat and parts of the compainion boxes under the load bay in the back also had two subframe surport panels i think!it was a sort of grey if i recall!sort of know the guy that did it i think!Also had mk3 doors!!

[Dan]

right o guys, cheers, i didnt know the limos used a chassis, i just assumed the used an extended monocoque.

Not Mini limos, I said most cars made into limos. Most limos are not Minis. Even so, Mini limos that I've seen built have a lot of reinforcing.

Being in a position of actualy joining 2 halfs of minis (and others) on many occasions i feel i can speak with experiance, not like some who have never done it but feel they can comment, the normal practice is not to butt weld the floor but overlap it and weld both edges, regards the screen aperture and A post they are butt welded and the weld sank in, not ground down, the sills are removed and the floor and inner sill section welded up and then a new sill welded on.

But what you are describing there is not a cut and shut, it's doing it properly. Cut and shut is a term that specifically means a dodgy, quick and nasty but welded bodge. That's the point that some of us were trying to make, if the seller says it's a cut and shut does he actually mean that or does he mean it's been extensively rebuilt? Find out how good it is before even considering buying.

[midridge2]

The term cut and shut simply means 2 diffrent cars welded together to make one not how its done either properly or badly.


if the seller says it's a cut and shut does he actually mean that or does he mean it's been extensively rebuilt? Find out how good it is before even considering buying. is that not what i said right at the beginning.

[Shifty]

[quote name='midridge2' date='Apr 29 2010, 09:40 PM' post='1813401']
The term cut and shut simply means 2 diffrent cars welded together to make one not how its done either properly or badly.


if the seller says it's a cut and shut does he actually mean that or does he mean it's been extensively rebuilt? Find out how good it is before even considering buying. is that not what i said right at the beginning.
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The seller says the front 1/2 is a saloon and the rear half is a pick-up, the repair has been described as a "Cut and shut" not "Extensively Rebuilt"

My experiences with cut and shuts have never been positive and if I were selling a car that had been extensively restored I'd describe it as such.

I don't think I've ever seen an advert for a car where its been described as a cut and shut, my understanding of the term is that its used to describe a bodged repair.

[midridge2]

"A cut and shut is where the remains of two or more cars have been welded together to create a 'new'" vehicle. taken from the auto trader,

the term applies to more than cars, helicopters, ships etc.
a helicopter was in the news a while back that belonged to the armed forces in afganistan and it was a cut and shut.

[Shifty]

"A cut and shut is where the remains of two or more cars have been welded together to create a 'new'" vehicle. taken from the auto trader,

the term applies to more than cars, helicopters, ships etc.
a helicopter was in the news a while back that belonged to the armed forces in afganistan and it was a cut and shut.

I'm assuming that the "cut and shut" helicoptor was repaired by trained air frame technicians and then passed an air worthiness test prior to being allowed to fly again?

Or was that repaired in some dodgy arch under the bridge by a chap called "Crusher"?

Did the auto trader recommend the purchase of cut and shuts?

[Bungle]

[Shifty]

So you found it then?!!

[Bungle]

but SVA is a bit out of date

can i have a new one with BIVA

[Dan]

The term cut and shut simply means 2 diffrent cars welded together

Not to me or many others. I wouldn't imagine the OED will be using Auto Trader or their editing staff as a listed source any time soon! Nor the press using the term as hyperbole in order to sensationalise a rather mundane report about the service history of a military helicopter. Military equipment is often hastily, but generally very well, rebuilt in a war zone. To me, and I imagine the majority of others, the term specifically implies poor work.

is that not what i said right at the beginning.

Yes, so you agree with the rest of us. So why are you posting as though you are making a different point entirely?

Jaguar actually glue their cars together now Went on a tech trip there about a month ago

I was talking about the OPs reference to laser welding (which is still a fairly exotic process I believe) when I mentioned spot welding. Bonding is quite a common process now in all kinds of manufacture, the wings have been bonded onto many aircraft for a long time.