Cheers Paul, you're a star!
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Posted 23 April 2010 - 08:57 PM
Okay guys, not as easy as it sounded! I took took the two bolts out of the plate and the shaft still wasn't loose enough to just slip out!
I used a screwdriver to lever the shaft through (from the bulkhead side) via hitting it with a hammer! This worked to a degree until the shaft had disappeared in to the suspension arm itself and was poking through more on the other side (towards the headlights).
But now it's just stuck there! I can't lever anymore out and i can't pull it with anything because mole grips will just ruin the thread!
Was everyones this stiff and seized?
Thanks
Mike
I used a screwdriver to lever the shaft through (from the bulkhead side) via hitting it with a hammer! This worked to a degree until the shaft had disappeared in to the suspension arm itself and was poking through more on the other side (towards the headlights).
But now it's just stuck there! I can't lever anymore out and i can't pull it with anything because mole grips will just ruin the thread!
Was everyones this stiff and seized?
Thanks
Mike
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Posted 23 April 2010 - 09:01 PM
I just did this the other day, and was in the same position as you, i sat and scrathed my head for ages till i realised the shaft was still being supported by the steel washer which is behind the plate, once the plate and this steel washer was removed the load was compleatly removed from the pina nd i could just pull it out. The hi-lo's are short enough to be able to assemble them again without having the same problem, then just wind them out once there in position and the pins back through.
Rich
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Posted 23 April 2010 - 09:13 PM
Ahh thanks Rich, yea i sat there scratching my head for a while too....but it's dark now so i have given up!
I took that plate off, and the steel washer :S and mines still stuck??? There's not some other mystery washer i haven't seen is there? From what i can see, it looks like it should just slide out....but the bloody thing won't! So frustrating!
I took that plate off, and the steel washer :S and mines still stuck??? There's not some other mystery washer i haven't seen is there? From what i can see, it looks like it should just slide out....but the bloody thing won't! So frustrating!
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Posted 23 April 2010 - 09:22 PM
The washer was probably 2mm thick and the size of the hole in the mount, its pretty big so i would have thought you would have spotted it. Once i did this the pin was then free in the hole in the mount if you see what i mean, it wasnt touching any of the sides, is yours doing this or is the rubber cone pushing it against the bottom of the hole?
It could just be that its jammed on bump stop on the other side of the mount, i pulled this side of the mount forward abit and then wiggled the pin out.
Rich
It could just be that its jammed on bump stop on the other side of the mount, i pulled this side of the mount forward abit and then wiggled the pin out.
Rich
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Posted 23 April 2010 - 09:27 PM
Yea it's definately that washer that i took off! And i made sure the shaft wasn't touching the hole in any places (thinking it would just slide out if it wasn't caught on anything)....but this didn't happen! the shaft wont even turn in the suspension arm!
what could be jammed on the bump stop? isn't the bump stop further up towards the doughnut?
Thanks Rich
what could be jammed on the bump stop? isn't the bump stop further up towards the doughnut?
Thanks Rich
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Posted 23 April 2010 - 09:42 PM
No mate, its the tab that sticks off the radius arm, this could be your problem, nowever to me it sounds like its just stiff. If its not sitting on anything then it can only be jammed up inside the radius arm. Put some mole grips back on it and tap them from the side, this should bring it out, aswell as pulling and twisting it at the same time.
Good luck!
Rich
Good luck!
Rich
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Posted 23 April 2010 - 09:54 PM
i dont want to sound like an arse but wouldnt it of been easier to get a compression tool?
theres loads pop up on ebay if yo dont want to make one, we got one with both metric and imperial threads for about £20 and it works wonders
theres loads pop up on ebay if yo dont want to make one, we got one with both metric and imperial threads for about £20 and it works wonders
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Posted 23 April 2010 - 11:02 PM
Cheers again Rich, very helpful....i'm out tomorrow but will have a go at it on Sunday and let you know how it goes.
With reagrds to Adam and all others suggesting i use a compression tool, read my first post in this topic.....i don't have any threads in the cone for a compression tool to screw into, hence it would take even longer to use a tool due to the fact that i would require a new doughnut as well!
On the plus side, this will serve as proof that hi-lo's can be fitted minus the cost of a compression tool that you only use once (a bad investment)!
Once completed on this side of the car, i will do the same on the side and photograph every step and make a guide for others to use!
Mike
With reagrds to Adam and all others suggesting i use a compression tool, read my first post in this topic.....i don't have any threads in the cone for a compression tool to screw into, hence it would take even longer to use a tool due to the fact that i would require a new doughnut as well!
On the plus side, this will serve as proof that hi-lo's can be fitted minus the cost of a compression tool that you only use once (a bad investment)!
Once completed on this side of the car, i will do the same on the side and photograph every step and make a guide for others to use!
Mike
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Posted 23 April 2010 - 11:19 PM
I did this this week (changed doughnut without compressing it). Basically I knew I was fitting hi-los so just took a chizel and hammer to the cone. smashed it out, chucked it in the bin, then removed top arm, took out old doughnut. Then put new doughnut in and put top arm back. Then with hi-low set to minimum put it back. simple.
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Posted 23 April 2010 - 11:30 PM
I have to admit, this is the method I'm going to use for the otherside. I proved to myself its perfectly do-able to remove the who thing without a compression tool, but I had to rethread the pin and stuff after destroying it with mole grips, not exactly a massive job, just one that I don't need to do because of the hi-lo's I'm fitting.
Let me know how you get on mate.
Rich
Let me know how you get on mate.
Rich
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Posted 24 April 2010 - 07:43 AM
With the mounting plate removed it's sometimes quite tricky to get the top arm pin out - must admit I've never done this job without using a compressor tool - so with the pin under load it may be more tricky - but if your top arms have been starved of regular greasing then its highly likely the internals are gunged up and possibly seized. to get it out if uncooperative, firstly pump it full of as much grease as you can - from the front put the large thick washer back on the shaft and thread on the nut a few turns - then lever on the washer against the subframe - oddly a fork splitter is ideal for this - the pin will come out - but before reassembly make very sure that everything is properly cleaned out and the roller bearings are intact - a top arm repair kit isn't expensive at about 15 quid from "all good suppliers" ....
Oh and p.s - if you're in need of the loan of a compressor reasonably locally PM me
Oh and p.s - if you're in need of the loan of a compressor reasonably locally PM me
Edited by wile e coyote, 24 April 2010 - 07:45 AM.
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Posted 24 April 2010 - 07:34 PM
used a compression tool from minispares (17 quid i think it was) and it made my life a whole lot easier when doing it, although i do reccomend a LONG spanner on the nut on the top to wind the cone up, and plenty of wd40 on the thread to make life easier. instead of a long spanner i used a pipe wrench, about 40cm long or so, didnt slip and worked wonders, as the harder you pull on it the better the grip gets 
only thing you need to remove for this is the wheel and the bonnet
only thing you need to remove for this is the wheel and the bonnet
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Posted 25 April 2010 - 05:12 PM
Right chaps, thanks a lot for your help, that's sides all done now!
Your right, because the compression tool wasn't being used, a lot of downward pressure was being applied to the top arm....this was casuing problems somehow. So i put a trolley jack underneath the top arm with a bit of wood and jacked it up a bit! This seemed to free everything that was stuck, and with a pair of mole grips (on the non-threaded part) of the pin, i just pulled it straight out!
Job done!
Like i said, i will photograph the other side and make a guide! Because if you know how to do it, it's just as easy as using a tool (but cheaper)
Your right, because the compression tool wasn't being used, a lot of downward pressure was being applied to the top arm....this was casuing problems somehow. So i put a trolley jack underneath the top arm with a bit of wood and jacked it up a bit! This seemed to free everything that was stuck, and with a pair of mole grips (on the non-threaded part) of the pin, i just pulled it straight out!
Job done!
Like i said, i will photograph the other side and make a guide! Because if you know how to do it, it's just as easy as using a tool (but cheaper)
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