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[mike.]

So when this planned world doom supposed to be happening?

[asmith88]

I found this on the Dvta (I think thats the NI VOSA equivilent)

"An IVA (wether Basic or normal) is only required for passenger cars and light good vechicles LESS THAN TEN YEARS OLD which require first licensing in th UK"

It also says that the implementation date is "3/08/09 *Unless the vechile is more than 10 years old"

Does this mean i dont need one, or does this mean i need an sva?

[WiredbyWilson]

From reading through this, it seems like pretty much every modded car will end up in IVA territory and on Q plates.

My understanding of a Q plate is if it is deemed significantly different to original and / or made of various cars - -e.g. kit cars.

BUT! The guy that owns a bodyshop near me has a westfield running a 2.2 ecotec on a granny gearbox - this passed IVA and has a 56 plate on it.

So I think the Q plate automatically being slapped on is a bit hefty - I for one will argue to the death to keep my original reg even though I have a weber box.

[Ethel]

The Westfield will have been built from one donor that was on a 56 plate or built of all new bits in 2006.

The 10 year thing is all good, as long as they don't decide your car is no longer the one on the V5 because your DVLA points score isn't high enough. Potentially good news for flip fronts and the like though.



DVLA are the desk jockeys who licence you 'n your car to use the roads.

VOSA are the Techie boffins who tell DVLA it's safe enough to be licensed. MoT certs for a tax disc and IVA for a V5.

[WiredbyWilson]

The Westfield will have been built from one donor that was on a 56 plate or built of all new bits in 2006.

Trust me it wasn't, built from a part built kit that he had to finish - he then took it for inspection and they passed it giving him that plate, infact he deliberately waited so he could get the new reg!

I very much doubt any parts came from a 2006 car (all running gear being sierra/granny) but things like seats were new.

I think it is still very much down to interpretation.

[Ethel]

Well he's got the better of the rules then. They are quite clear: all new, save for a reconditioned engine, for a new registration.

[The Matt]

Yes, it is down to interpretation of the rules. There are so many potential modifications that people could carry out to so many different vehicles, that it's impossible fir them to write a fully descriptive set of rules that cover every scenario.

Take the Weber bulkhead box as an example. If you've got a circular hole in your bulkhead, but then make it square and fill it with a sealed box, you're modifying the vehicle. Whether it's structurally better or not, it's still a mod to a type approved motor. If you inform the DVLA (as you should) that you have made structural changes to your vehicle in this manner, they are possibly going to call for an IVA. BUT, there's the chance it could've a basic IVA that's required, you would possibly be able to retain the original identity???

I'm not fully conversant with the regulations, but I intend to be, soon!

[Frozo]

so if you go under 8 points you need to IVA? or if you change something you need the IVA test?

[The Matt]

If you go under 8 points or if you modify the monocoque.

What is classed as a modification to the monocoque may be the grey area, I guess?

I mean, if you trim your front arches to fit 13" wheels, you're going to be OK.

If you chop out a part of your cross member to fit a turbo box, they're going to want to check out what you've done.

There are definite rules, but as said earlier, rules are down to different peoples' interpretations.

[Frozo]

Im mainly going to be changing the engine and replacing panels and adding wheel arch's and disc brakes etc. will this be marked as losing points? (modification)

Edited by Frozo, 19 February 2010 - 02:01 PM.

[Ethel]

Im mainly going to be changing the engine and replacing panels and adding wheel arch's and disc brakes etc. will this be marked as losing points? (modification)

Only if you use none Mini components.

You could replace every single bit of your car over the years with no issues as long as they are the same spec or the manufacturer's approved updates - it's quite likely if you went into Rover in 2000 to buy front drum bits, they'd have offered you disc brakes because the drums were no longer available.

[Frozo]

Im mainly going to be changing the engine and replacing panels and adding wheel arch's and disc brakes etc. will this be marked as losing points? (modification)

Only if you use none Mini components.

You could replace every single bit of your car over the years with no issues as long as they are the same spec or the manufacturer's approved updates - it's quite likely if you went into Rover in 2000 to buy front drum bits, they'd have offered you disc brakes because the drums were no longer available.

so i should be alright then?

[RWDwanted]

So if you have an engine conversion where the bulkhead has been modified you then have to have an IVA test. To pass this test i have heard that you have to have a collapsable steering column. Is this true and if it is what other changed have to be made to pass this test?

[Ethel]

Most likely - until you get round to that twin turbo hyabusa conversion anyway .


RWD,

There's a link to the IVA manual in the topic pinned at the front of Mini chat

[Frozo]

This is pathetic but im worried about this :S i dont want to be going onto a Q plate aha