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[Bungle]

its not going to stop me putting a turbo box in my minis bulkhead. ill still do it without even thinking of this stupid iva test, that everyone seems to be so keen on having done.

i don't think anyone with serious body mods are keen on having a BIVA test, most seem like you and brake the rules and hope they aren't going to get caught or keep mods to a minimum and stay well clear

i think the only one to modify their car to the rules are the ones currently building Z cars conversions

[mini-geek]

ah I see, really that's tax fraud though as I guess they are using tax exempt log books...... but if they just put it on the Range Rover chassis they won't need an IVA.

[samsfern]

if people stopped keep mentioning it and asking them daft questions they wouldnt be so keen on it. Anyway, im not breaking any rules, im making my own rules

Edited by samsfern, 24 January 2011 - 06:57 PM.

[mini-geek]

"Brain wave" I take my car for an MOT he says it's has structural mods I say yes I know it's already had an IVA! Win I get a nice shiny new MOT!

Edited by mini-geek, 24 January 2011 - 06:59 PM.

[Bungle]

ah I see, really that's tax fraud though as I guess they are using tax exempt log books...... but if they just put it on the Range Rover chassis they won't need an IVA.

i think they still need to cut down the range rover chassis so they still can't keep the range rover log book

[Carlos W]

A modern Range Rover chassis on an old Land Rover VIN and Log Book is the same as me owning a 71 mini and using a 91 shell!

That's illegal with or without IVAs

[Bungle]

"Brain wave" I take my car for an MOT he says it's has structural mods I say yes I know it's already had an IVA! Win I get a nice shiny new MOT!

unless the work is don't badly it's not a MOT failure

[mini-geek]

ah I see, really that's tax fraud though as I guess they are using tax exempt log books...... but if they just put it on the Range Rover chassis they won't need an IVA.

i think they still need to cut down the range rover chassis so they still can't keep the range rover log book

IIRC you can chop the chassis aslong as it from outside the wheel base and you are allowed to move body mounts... But I might be wrong...

A modern Range Rover chassis on an old Land Rover VIN and Log Book is the same as me owning a 71 mini and using a 91 shell!

That's illegal with or without IVAs

no because a Land rover and range rover have a separate chassis the minis body is the Chassis

[Bungle]

but it's still the wrong chassis number fitted

[Carlos W]

ah I see, really that's tax fraud though as I guess they are using tax exempt log books...... but if they just put it on the Range Rover chassis they won't need an IVA.

i think they still need to cut down the range rover chassis so they still can't keep the range rover log book

IIRC you can chop the chassis aslong as it from outside the wheel base and you are allowed to move body mounts... But I might be wrong...

A modern Range Rover chassis on an old Land Rover VIN and Log Book is the same as me owning a 71 mini and using a 91 shell!

That's illegal with or without IVAs

no because a Land rover and range rover have a separate chassis the minis body is the Chassis

But the chassis has an identity just like a second hand mini shell

[Bungle]

ah I see, really that's tax fraud though as I guess they are using tax exempt log books...... but if they just put it on the Range Rover chassis they won't need an IVA.

i think they still need to cut down the range rover chassis so they still can't keep the range rover log book

IIRC you can chop the chassis aslong as it from outside the wheel base and you are allowed to move body mounts... But I might be wrong...

Chassis.

Q) What is classed as chassis? Is it purely the outer longitudinal rails or are the crossmembers between these also a part of the chassis?

A) Chassis should be taken to include crossmembers.

Q) We know that cutting or shortening a chassis is classed as modification but is this relative to the vehicle wheelbase i.e. the chassis must remain uncut between the 2 axles but anything forward of front or aft of rear suspension mounts can be removed?

A) Chassis includes the full original length of the longitudinal members including to the front of the front axle and to the rear of the rear axle.

Q) Is it acceptable to remove bodymounts, which contribute no strength to the chassis when changing a body to a different style /make?

A) Yes, providing they are additional to and are not an integral part of the chassis structure.

Chassis

It is acceptable to box original chassis and also to add additional crossmembers but not to alter the existing chassis in any way to allow for their installation.

It is acceptable to remove NON STRUCTURAL body mounts and engine / gearbox mounts.

It is NOT acceptable to shorten, or lengthen the chassis, either in between standard suspension points or fore and aft of these.

Any additional items welded creating a longer overall chassis are classed as modifications. It would however be acceptable to bolt a reasonably sized additional subframe to existing mounting holes.

Any outriggers (as opposed to continuous chassis frame) fore or aft from the chassis would need clarification from VOSA as to their purpose before removal or alteration was accepted. This would be based on their purpose and whether they formed part of the vehicles original Type Approval.

[mini-geek]

"Brain wave" I take my car for an MOT he says it's has structural mods I say yes I know it's already had an IVA! Win I get a nice shiny new MOT!

unless the work is don't badly it's not a MOT failure

now I not having a pop at you here, but when exactly are you going to come a croppa of this IVA then? road side check? the Police can't do it as they don't have the knowing to spot a webber box or turbo box.. and before you say spot checks at show... never seen them or heard of them being at shows.. the police son't do it at show because they want people to cooperate wit them so if the cars not got tinited windows illegal lights them sort of things they leave you alone...


I'm not going to wourrie about it too much but I am goin to take steps to make it more IVA stealth

[mini-geek]

but it's still the wrong chassis number fitted

ah I see, really that's tax fraud though as I guess they are using tax exempt log books...... but if they just put it on the Range Rover chassis they won't need an IVA.

i think they still need to cut down the range rover chassis so they still can't keep the range rover log book

IIRC you can chop the chassis aslong as it from outside the wheel base and you are allowed to move body mounts... But I might be wrong...

A modern Range Rover chassis on an old Land Rover VIN and Log Book is the same as me owning a 71 mini and using a 91 shell!

That's illegal with or without IVAs

no because a Land rover and range rover have a separate chassis the minis body is the Chassis

But the chassis has an identity just like a second hand mini shell

yes but you use the range Rover chassis ID it's a range rover! they are only getting in trouble because they are avoiding paying road tax... THAT IS TAX FRAUD, some thing compleatly different another words your stealing money of the government.

[clubmanvan]

A modern Range Rover chassis on an old Land Rover VIN and Log Book is the same as me owning a 71 mini and using a 91 shell!

That's illegal with or without IVAs

if you read the dvla link it covers making a car from a "mix" of parts
if you use a new shell from the manufacturs you will req 2 major components, ie both axles (1) engine or transmission or steering etc

it then goes onto say if using a 2nd hand shell then will req 2 components (as mentioned above) AND a iva check were upon a Q prefix will be allocated

HOWEVER how i read it if your car you are re shelling is a 1971 then it is over 10 years old therefore will not req a IVA check so it is perfectly legal

[clubmanvan]

but it's still the wrong chassis number fitted

ah I see, really that's tax fraud though as I guess they are using tax exempt log books...... but if they just put it on the Range Rover chassis they won't need an IVA.

i think they still need to cut down the range rover chassis so they still can't keep the range rover log book

IIRC you can chop the chassis aslong as it from outside the wheel base and you are allowed to move body mounts... But I might be wrong...

A modern Range Rover chassis on an old Land Rover VIN and Log Book is the same as me owning a 71 mini and using a 91 shell!

That's illegal with or without IVAs

no because a Land rover and range rover have a separate chassis the minis body is the Chassis

But the chassis has an identity just like a second hand mini shell

yes but you use the range Rover chassis ID it's a range rover! they are only getting in trouble because they are avoiding paying road tax... THAT IS TAX FRAUD, some thing compleatly different another words your stealing money of the government.

to bring a land rover into this topic is only going to confuse the topic as if making a "hybrid" land rover ie a defender from a range rover then that has to be registered via the points system as a "radically altered car" (still subject to a iva check) however if you plan to re shell a mini using like for like components then it it is classed as using a "mix of parts" still can req a iva check why i think a land rover has been talked about is that some people get a modern range rover chasis axles v8 engine etc then "build"/graft the tax exempt land rover panels onto the chasis using a tax exempt log book and ride around in a tax exempt land rover that basically is a modern range rover, so when mr vosa man tests a immiculate 1971 series land rover with a coil sprung chasis, and a efi auto v8 engine and box he thinks "hang on a minute" somebody taking the p**s