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[Ethel]

It's eight points including an unmodified shell. The points are simple enough, most of the confusion is over what constitutes an unmodified shell (monocoque or chassis to be specific).

[Frozo]

Im fairly worried about this :S because i dont want my reg to be changed.

As im rebuilding the mini what do they call standard? because i want to put a new engine in it, add wheel arches, add disc brakes to the front, new interior, new car colour, etc.

With those changes will it mean that i will need an IVA test?

Also because i need to get the V5 theres a question which says

"Why Dont You Have a V5C?

- I bought the vehicle from the previous keeper or motor trader and i have not recieved a V5C yet
- It has been lost, stolen, damaged or destroyed
- I cannot produce it for another reason (give reason below)

We ticked the second one and third one. and for the third one my dad put "Vehicle Is a Restoration Project" does this mean that the DVLA will be keeping a close eye on my car?

[1960Zody]

It's eight points including an unmodified shell. The points are simple enough, most of the confusion is over what constitutes an unmodified shell (monocoque or chassis to be specific).

Spot on Ethel,
5 of the 8 points need to come from an Unmodified shell.
We have had some clarification from DVLA about what that is and we will hopefully be clarifying the other areas shortly.
however, it took us six months of questioning to get the details we have so far.
DVLA and a glacier have many similarities )

[Bungle]

they keep going down hill ?????

[1960Zody]

Im fairly worried about this :S because i dont want my reg to be changed.

As im rebuilding the mini what do they call standard? because i want to put a new engine in it, add wheel arches, add disc brakes to the front, new interior, new car colour, etc.

With those changes will it mean that i will need an IVA test?

Also because i need to get the V5 theres a question which says

"Why Dont You Have a V5C?

- I bought the vehicle from the previous keeper or motor trader and i have not recieved a V5C yet
- It has been lost, stolen, damaged or destroyed
- I cannot produce it for another reason (give reason below)

We ticked the second one and third one. and for the third one my dad put "Vehicle Is a Restoration Project" does this mean that the DVLA will be keeping a close eye on my car?

So far, with those mods you should be OK.

The new engine is notifable, but assuming that it is a replacement one rather than 'say' a ford V6 no points would be lost. (Even if the displacement changes).

The colour change is notifiable, but that always has been.

The interior is not notifiable.

The brakes on their own would not be considered to be an axle change.

So far you have lost no points.

DVLA should just send a V5C and all you would have to do is notify them of the new engine and the colour change.

[Frozo]

Im fairly worried about this :S because i dont want my reg to be changed.

As im rebuilding the mini what do they call standard? because i want to put a new engine in it, add wheel arches, add disc brakes to the front, new interior, new car colour, etc.

With those changes will it mean that i will need an IVA test?

Also because i need to get the V5 theres a question which says

"Why Dont You Have a V5C?

- I bought the vehicle from the previous keeper or motor trader and i have not recieved a V5C yet
- It has been lost, stolen, damaged or destroyed
- I cannot produce it for another reason (give reason below)

We ticked the second one and third one. and for the third one my dad put "Vehicle Is a Restoration Project" does this mean that the DVLA will be keeping a close eye on my car?

So far, with those mods you should be OK.

The new engine is notifable, but assuming that it is a replacement one rather than 'say' a ford V6 no points would be lost. (Even if the displacement changes).

The colour change is notifiable, but that always has been.

The interior is not notifiable.

The brakes on their own would not be considered to be an axle change.

So far you have lost no points.

DVLA should just send a V5C and all you would have to do is notify them of the new engine and the colour change.

Ok, that you very much for clarifying that for me

[BoboGib]

How do we go about finding out what Morris/Austin/BL/BMC/Rover classed as the Monococque though? None of the companies mentioned exist anymore. What stops the DVLA coming up with their own idea of what "they" think it is?

[jayare]

Steve - I'd like to echo others thanks for joining our forum and helping to clarify some of these issues.

I'd actually like to know what DVLA include in the other points-paying categories where a Mini is concerned - some examples:

There are no 'axles' as such - what components would they class as axles.
Which specific components are classed as the 'Suspension'
Same for the 'Steering'
Transmission and engine are relatively straightforward and self-explanatory.

For steering and suspension components, are direct replacement performance parts (those which fit in place of a standard component but are up-rated in some way - adjustable or heavy duty suspension arms, performance dampers or a quick ratio steering rack, for example) counted as the same as original equipment?

These could make all the difference on even a Mini which retains the original and un-modified bodyshell but has had a change of engine type.

JR

Edit - BoboGib's point about finding out what the various companies which made the Mini would class as the monocoque is a really important point too!

Edited by jayare, 25 February 2010 - 06:16 PM.

[mini93]

To a degree, in the future, a Q plate may be a selling point as it would show that the vehicle is fully legal...

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what im not sure of, aside from random spot checks of cars (which you said took place at a landrover show?) which obviously look modified, who actualy puts a car forward for the IVA test?
surely some cars which look stanard (sleeper look) might have cut bulkheads etc

[Bungle]

who actualy puts a car forward for the IVA test?

the owner of the car after their V5 has been taken away

[mini93]

ok thats fair enough...next question...who takes your V5 away? (surely u must have seen that question coming lol) if the owner doesnt admit to having said mods done and no one inspects it he wont have to surrender the V5 surely?

[Bungle]

if your not caught or honest you keep your V5

[Hughes]

I dont see why they dont create a new reg mark for 'heavily modified' vehicles. The trouble with a Q is that it sparks fears of Stolen Recovered and cut 'n' shuts.

Surely by removing the stigma that is attached to Q more people would be honest and come forward for a test.

[1960Zody]

I dont see why they dont create a new reg mark for 'heavily modified' vehicles. The trouble with a Q is that it sparks fears of Stolen Recovered and cut 'n' shuts.

Surely by removing the stigma that is attached to Q more people would be honest and come forward for a test.

A 'modified' or 'Street Rod' registration class (Similar to the Australian or New Zealand examples) was something that the early guys were trying to campaign for way back when this all started in the 70's.
That never got off the ground due to a general 'Lack of interest' so DVLA didn't see it as important enough to add to the regulations.
Too many people at the time saying "It'll never happen"

Had that passed into legislation we would at least have a set of guidelines that show what you can and cannot do in different circumstances rather than the foggy system we have now.

[1960Zody]

Steve - I'd like to echo others thanks for joining our forum and helping to clarify some of these issues.

I'd actually like to know what DVLA include in the other points-paying categories where a Mini is concerned - some examples:

There are no 'axles' as such - what components would they class as axles.
Which specific components are classed as the 'Suspension'
Same for the 'Steering'
Transmission and engine are relatively straightforward and self-explanatory.

For steering and suspension components, are direct replacement performance parts (those which fit in place of a standard component but are up-rated in some way - adjustable or heavy duty suspension arms, performance dampers or a quick ratio steering rack, for example) counted as the same as original equipment?

These could make all the difference on even a Mini which retains the original and un-modified bodyshell but has had a change of engine type.

JR



Edit - BoboGib's point about finding out what the various companies which made the Mini would class as the monocoque is a really important point too!

This is what we are working on now.
As I said earlier, DVLA move very slowly and we have to formulate the right quesytions to get the right answers.
You can see from the Q & A on the website that we went back a couple of times for further clarification on original answers.

Different parts of the various departments also give differemnt answers, there was an article in PPC magazine a while ago what it was stated that the points for suspension were for original suspension, by which they meant ORIGINAL PARTS, therefore a replacement Mac Strut after an accident would potentially lose suspension points.
It's a very slow and painstaking process.