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[Burnard]

you not considered a smaller master cylender?

[Kam]

you not considered a smaller master cylender?

Smaller? Don't you mean larger?

I think standard honda is around 16mm and I'm using a 14mm for a smoother easier pedal feel (which it is) but it looks like the pedal is still travelling way too much so needs to be limited more

I could use a honda master but that will give a much harder pedal feel, this is is spot on and so easy to live with even in built up traffic in london

I think the problem is the amount of pedal travel I got, currently it moves about 4ins, someone over on 16v said they get around an inch, thats with an upgraded clutch but I still think mine is moving way too much (obviously it is!)

I'll get there

[evansisgreat]

Love this build, hope you get the clutch sorted soon mate. And that the snow goes away so you can demoralise more people.

[Burnard]

you not considered a smaller master cylender?

Smaller? Don't you mean larger?

I think standard honda is around 16mm and I'm using a 14mm for a smoother easier pedal feel (which it is) but it looks like the pedal is still travelling way too much so needs to be limited more

I could use a honda master but that will give a much harder pedal feel, this is is spot on and so easy to live with even in built up traffic in london

I think the problem is the amount of pedal travel I got, currently it moves about 4ins, someone over on 16v said they get around an inch, thats with an upgraded clutch but I still think mine is moving way too much (obviously it is!)

I'll get there

Im pretty sure smaller is the way.
Smaller cylinder will move less fluid per inch you move the pedal, therefore moving the slave less = less travel.
Larger cylinder will move more fluid per inch of pedal travel therefore moving the slave more = more travel = more ******* clutch

Allot of the problem will be to do with the pedal ratio's between the honda and mini, not just the size of the master.

Plus if you go to a smaller cylinder the clutch gets lighter


I hope you do get it sorted, because this beast needs to be driven, not dismantled.

[Kam]

Im pretty sure smaller is the way.
Smaller cylinder will move less fluid per inch you move the pedal, therefore moving the slave less = less travel.
Larger cylinder will move more fluid per inch of pedal travel therefore moving the slave more = more travel = more ******* clutch

Allot of the problem will be to do with the pedal ratio's between the honda and mini, not just the size of the master.

Plus if you go to a smaller cylinder the clutch gets lighter

Yeah I see what you mean now Chris, I'm still learning to be honest

Someone mentioned over on 16v that the spring more likely gave way due to aggressive spirited launches maybe the pedal travel was fine but the friction plate itself wasn't upto my driving expectations? I mean life don't start untill 5000rpm They said uprate it and try stage 1 or 2? It might end up giving it a heavier pedal feel I don't know?

More food for thought

[Kam]

Love this build, hope you get the clutch sorted soon mate. And that the snow goes away so you can demoralise more people.

Cheers Evans

It'll get done but I'm not pushing myself this time, would like to maybe try and aim to get it done and take it to Brooklands in March, I think that'll be a nice deadline. Unless I feel the need to demoralise much sooner!

[Kam]

Not any real progress at the moment, I still haven't bought a clutch yet, can't decide what one to get, but as the engine is out and on the stand I thought I might aswell buy some goodies for it, nothing major mind you, just some bits to keep me busy over the cold period, was thinking about getting some jenvey throttle bodies but decided not to, I don't think the gains on a standard engine justify the costs So I decided I still wanted something but had to keep the costs down as it the wrong side of xmas

Just a reminder again - I'm going in alot of detail here to help anyone else thats not sure or comes across this on a search, just trying to have a detailed build diary as most are "today I fitted this or fitted that and thats it" apologies if you know all this stuff already but I'm sure your mouse has a scroll down button so feel free to use as and when

Started off with sending off my two mounts



These are gonna be poly-filled as they are getting tired, I was starting to get some knocking of the inlet against the bulkhead on hard gear changes as there aint alot of clearance back there, hopefully some poly filler (???) should sort that out, this is the problem when using donor car mounts, the other rear gearbox mount is the allspeed one and still new so no point in sending that off

Managed to pick up (by luck) a set of kams from a 2000 civic type-r



Its got the 2 grooves on the end of the shaft which only the civic type-r has



From what I understand I think the intake cam above has I think 8 degrees more duration than my standard B16a2 one, and I think the early integras have 3 degrees less than the civic ones but the later integras carried the same, so you can get any ek9 civic or 2000 onwards 'teg to get the better ones, 3 degrees might not mean much out on the road but hey every little counts

With the above I can't rev to 8600 rpm though unless I use the valvetrain aswell, I could of bought them but as I'm keeping my standard mini rev counter I decided not to and only change at 8000 rpm.....lifes a biaatch eh? I think the above set is by far the best you can get on a standard engine and but if your wanting to spend the money though then a set of skunk2 stage 1's or even 2's..........

Picked up another set of energy suspension bushes for the shifter, I know I only just recently bought these but as I'm changing it it would be rude not to as these are cheap



Also picked up a skunk2 short shifter



It really is a nice bit of kit, beautifully weighted aswell, and as its only got the one kink (as opposed to my two kinks) it should sit nicely, I'm gonna try and spin it 180 degrees aswell so it sits forward, the thread height is still the same as the 'teg one, so I'll chop off the end of the mini one and weld it to this so I might be able to get it going where I want, not only will it heighten it but enable me to use the standard rover gearknob, not interested in no after market knobs it has to be rovers finest four speed jobbie!

Also got a skunk2 inlet manifold, this is by far the best inlet manifold to get on a standard engine, I think its pretty much a 1.8 inlet but with a larger chamber? This is gonna be sent off for powder coating





And got a new gasket for it



Its supposed to be a performance gasket or something and help keep the heat from the engine block heading back towards the incomming inlet air???? Not sure really? All I know is its alot thicker than the factory honda one and thats about it



The skunk2 has alot more casting around the flange area aswell



its sits close to other components but luckily this doesn't interfere with anything on the back of the block

Seems like it 'angled' more inwards aswell which will give a bit more clearance



And seems like its a tad shorter than mine with more straighter runners



Quick glance though I could see a problem as my one has a plug on (I think) the no'1 runner





But the skunk2 has the hole for the plug on no'2 which seems a little bit like in the way for whatever is meant to be sitting in the two holes above



which is the holder for the throttle cable, not sure if they are different on the B18's but it won't let me connect the plug at the moment





Gonna have to grind a bit out of the throttle plate bracket now which is no biggie but I thought these were meant to be plug n play? I could maybe just bend the bracket upwards a bit but not sure how much this will interfere with the cable going to the throttle body

[Kam]

Took the throttle body off, you can see my IACV blanking plate aswell as the DTA doesn't use it



I'm not gonna be using my standard throttle body due to the size, my current inlet is around



And my standard throttle body is around



But the skunk2 inlet is around



So I'm gonna get a standard throttle body for a integra type-r

I could get a larger throttle body than the 'teg one as the inlet is made with alot of casting there so it can be machined out but this will be enough for me

Just waiting for the throttle body to arrive now, was gonna send it off to be powder coated aswell but don't feel its worth it, with it bolted on the inlet and a hose on other end you won't see much anyway

Getting there, not sure where though?

[Burnard]

powerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

I thought you said you had enough?

[minidream94]

My god Kam, this thing is going to literly FLY once youve done all the inlet mods and stuff. what brake roughly is she running once you put the inlet on then?

[Burnard]

id be placing bets arround 180-190

[evansisgreat]

Getting there, not sure where though?

You'll be far far away with all those upgrades when you realise where. Luckily you'll be able to change direction and vtec your away to your chosen direction.

I might have taken that metaphor a bit far...

Nice stuff though mate, makes me wish I could switch our front ends in the night while you're not looking

[minidream94]

id be placing bets arround 180-190

just say 200, makes it sound soooooooooo much faster

i cant imagin the wheelspin you must get, must be in every single gear?

[Kam]

powerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

I thought you said you had enough?

Was that in your best Clarkson voice?

And I have, its just I'm gonna tackle changing the head gasket (even though it don't need doing) as I didn't fancy doing it when I first bought the engine as I didn't know my way around it but now its out I thought sod it I'll give it a crack......then thought seeing as the cams have gotta come out....then thought seeing as the inlet as gotta come off....and then thought.....well you know the rest

[Kam]

once youve done all the inlet mods and stuff. what brake roughly is she running once you put the inlet on then?

Not sure mate, its all new to me, currently its running 165 hp which is enough but as I'm not chasing power I just bought some bits to make it more interesting, I haven't got a goal for power so won't be bothered if it makes 170, 180 or whatever