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#16 dave21478

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 03:02 PM

I didnt take it as a dig at all!
I guess it reads like an argument is brewing but Im not arguing at all, you are entirely correct. :thumbsup:
As long as people are sensible, there is no reason not to make a custom loom. Common sense, a reasonable knowledge of vehicle electrics and a little basic physics is enough to see anyone through. Using the wrong wiring will very probably end in tears, or flames. I did mine for around the £50 mark, which IMO is much preferable to paying £100+ for a replacement standard loom. Granted, it took a littlefore-thought, but IMO the end result is better.

A basic equation allows anyone to work out current draw. amps = power / volts. So, taking mainbeam headlights as an example, each unit is rated at 60w so 120w in total. 120w divided by 12v gives a current draw of 10 amps. Obviously, using wiring rated at 11 amps is cutting it way too fine, I think my lighting stuff is rated at 25 amps, which gives a massive safety zone. A fuse rated to blow at 15 amps allows plenty current to flow, allows for surges on start-up, wont overheat, and will blow long before the wire starts to suffer.
I have every electrical item in my mini (81 van so nothing too fancy electrics-wise) on a seperate dedicated circuit with its own fuse and its own earth point if required. Its not as daunting as it sounds.... LT ignition, dip beams, main beams and fog light, side/tails, brake lights, instrument panel, stereo, heater blower, wiper motor with screenwash pump, indicators and hazards - its not a lot of circuits really, especialy compared to a more modern car.
I have 10 fuses covering the whole lot, and wher there are more than two things from the same fuse, they are not safey-critical (ie a short in the interior light wont kill the ignition or the brake lights or something silly like that) Each circuits wiring is chosen to give a decent safety margin over what the circuit should draw as normal. Most stuff only draws a few amps anyway, so not much requires the heavier wiring.

I have an intense dislike of the standard minis loom. Im certainly not any kind of expert, but from my amateur viewpoint, its a very flawed design. I dislike the way so many unrelated items run from the same fuse, meaning a failure can knock out completely unrelated circuits at the same time. I dislike the less than waterproof fusebox mounted in the engine bay exposed to damp, I DETEST the non-weatherproofed bullet connectors that split the loom to the front lights, located right behind the grill in the line of spray. I find the looms routing to be needlessly complicated too.

Mine is routed differently from standard and mostly hidden. The fuse boxes are on the right hand side of the dashboard. two heavy feeds come from the battery (behind the seats) one to some of the fuses that are permanantly live, the other through the ignition switch and back to the fuses, giving power to the required fuses depending on the ignition switch position. A section runs along the dash rail to the switches and central instruments, and on to the column switches. the rear lights are all run via a heavy multi-core trailer cable which runs along the floor to the rear. Another section of loom goes through the bulkhead behind the fusebox and into the space under the wing, where smaller feeds go through the inner wing to the wipers and other things at the backof the engine bay. Everything else runs down behind the inner wing and along the inside of the front panel, and pops up where required for the headlights etc, and the engine wiring. The main cable to the starter still runs under the floor as standard.

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 03:35 PM

As Eagle isn't on Mini home territory that might also influence his options.

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 05:47 PM

Some car companies now use the same approach as Dave... some are broken down even further to aid safety, ie safety related circuits wouldn't share a fuse or a ground point. In years gone by the electrical system was looked at as a necessary evil :thumbsup: nowadays a typical car design will have a dedicated electrical design team and in most cases it is bigger than the rest of the design teams combined.........

A really simple safety system, is to have your radio on the same fuse as your rear tail/side lamps.... if the radio fails then the cahnces are you will get it fixed quicker than your rear lamps as you notice the sudden quiteness of a terminated radio :P whereas you only notice your rear lamps aren't working when you either get pulled or someone else tells you :)

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 08:25 PM

Thanks for all of the advice! I really hate using electrical tape in cars unless I'm out of plastic conduit. I do like the spiral wrap look though. I honestly plan to replicate the current harness with the same gauge of wire and fuses, except I'd like to relocate the fuses and relays to the glovebox area for convenience.

I've got 2 Haynes manuals and have navigated probably every circuit in the harness and agree, the picture really is not a help in determining lengths, which is why I posed the question. This is the loom I'd need to buy for my car: http://www.minispare...=...01985 on ... It's £149 (£138 after TMF+ discount) and then I have to add VAT. I figured for that price I could definitely do it myself. The plan is to take the car back to the states and VTec it, so I don't want to shell out too much on a harness that I'll pull later. The pics of the bad harness are better than mine in places though, so i might as well replace it all instead of just parts of it.

I plan to use either OEM or GM connectors (easy to get in the US) ones. I can get things shipped to Germany from the US at a domestic shipping rate so I have that as an option as well.

The approximate lengths of wire and guages are pretty much what I was looking for. Dave, do you have any more info/detail on what you ordered for you loom?

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 09:38 PM

GM connectors ??? do you mean Delphi as in P.E.D ? >_<

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Posted 25 July 2009 - 09:54 PM

I wouldn't worry about an engine swap, Minis are barely a step up from a box of matches as far as the ignition goes - you're talking half a dozen wires (7 if you have an oil warning light) all in around the same place on the front of the block. You may as well look on a new engine loom as totally separate.

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 06:15 AM

GM connectors ??? do you mean Delphi as in P.E.D ? >_<

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I take it he means the connectors used in General Motors vehicles, although a quick Google does suggest GM owns or owned a company called Delphi.

Hmm...

Ah, I see. Delphi is the company that used to be the parts devision of GM known as AC Delco. I did drive a car that used AC Delco parts at one time, so you're probably correct in your assumption.

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 06:51 AM

GM connectors ??? do you mean Delphi as in P.E.D ? :)

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I take it he means the connectors used in General Motors vehicles, although a quick Google does suggest GM owns or owned a company called Delphi.

Hmm...

Ah, I see. Delphi is the company that used to be the parts devision of GM known as AC Delco. I did drive a car that used AC Delco parts at one time, so you're probably correct in your assumption.



P.E.D is moulded into the delphi connector body, and stands for Packard Electrical Division from memory :ermm:, there are several manufacturers of connectors but not so many terminal manufacturers so a lot are interchangeable, try the likes of Tyco, Yazaki (moulded in arrow), Molex, Sumitomo (moulded in 4 leaf clover.... well that's my description of their symbol)......

Most readily available from harness specialists with a wide range of terminal sizes...... and this is just the automotive industry when you get into the Military / Aerospace industry well it all depends on how deep your pockets are, I recently saw a military connector that cost over £1000 but it did include the terminals >_<

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 11:17 AM

Man everyone here really knows their stuff/does their homework! Yes, GM/Delphi connectors are available at just about any auto parts store in the US. I'm not partial to diving into any of the stuff at the stores here in Germany as my time here is limited, and the car should be headed stateside in a year or two.

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 08:52 PM

Anyone know what guage the wiring in the car is? I'm trying to price out everything and want to have the correct gauges of wire.

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 11:57 PM

my rally car has a custom loom... needed to wire up megajolt, digi dash, different warning lights and gauges. also need to add moe options for my rally accesorys

bought a wiring modual fuse box, split thing and the wiring instructions gave me gauge wire to get, most of it is 14/30 or 28/30 (strand numbers/ gauge thickness)

if in doubt go thicker really.

i bought loads of wire from a internet based company called vehicle wiring products, a good website and gives loads of different colours so you can make a loom without too much repitition. When you make your loom do yourself a favour and draw out a loom diagram otherwise if you sell it/if you need to seek out a fault you may forget and an evil time trying to trace it
(sorry if thats already stated >_< tis late and dont want to read too much haha!

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 03:54 AM

Way ahead on the wiring diagram. I've got a scanned copy of the Haynes diagram that I'm coloring and will modify as necessary: Posted Image

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 05:49 AM

There are circuit design programs to be found on the interweb. Most offer a trial period and some are freeware - like tinyCAD.

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 08:11 AM

Well, fast forward to a year later and my Mini is now without an engine and now is the time to start replacing wiring. I'm in the midst of a VTEC swap into my '85 so I plan no replacing all the wiring for the headlights first so that I can fix an issue there with inop marker lights. I've got a new loom for the swap, but it still uses some of my factory wiring. I'm tossing out the original guages as the speedo is mechanical and I'll need an electrical one, and I'd like my guages to match. Will post up as things progress!

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 07:58 PM

I can remember someone on one of the Vauxhall forums i frequent one of the chaps on there drew the outline of his car on a large board on the garage floor and used that to build his custom loom (iirc it was a corsa with C20LET engine with digi dashes, fancy engine management etc)




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