391 replies to this topic

[mini_mad69]

Ive contacted VOSA.

There is no planned changes within the MOT to identify if a vehicle is modified or otherwise.

That means no ticky box to say your car is modified.

What a load of shizzle this topic is. Obviously someone as crossed messages or authoritys here. MOT's ly with VOSA, not the DVLA.

Jordie

I believe you. Buuuut do you have evidence to back up that there are to be no changes?



Ben

[Jordie]

No. Because I cannot record a telephone call from my works phone to the VOSA offices as it contains confidential details about myself, my place of employment and details such as our MOT station ID etc.

I can not provide evidence in hard written documents, because as VOSA said, there is no planned changes in this area to the current MOT. If nothing is planned, there is no evidence to plan something that aint planned.... And you may also note, there are no written documents to support a change in MOT practice about modified vehicles either!

Unfortunately, if you need to confirm this. I advise you to find a contact number for VOSA and ring yourselves.

I am told as a MOT station operator, that there is no planned changes for identifying if a vehicle is modified or not at the point of an annual MOT inspection.

Jordie

[mini_mad69]

Oke doke then.




Ben

[CMcB]

I have contacted the number given by Garrett and spoken to Mark- IVA Techincal officer 01792 454 256 - who said this.

The Mot tester will notify the DVLA (by the push of a button) if they suspect the car is modified \
The DVLA will call in the car for an IVA - cost £450 currently

If you are pulled over by the cops and found to be driving an undeclared modified vehicle then you will be stung twice by DVLA and for null and void insurance.

Aesthetic mods are "usually" ok, so no worries about spoilers or bodykits

Anything mechanically changed should be notified to the DVLA as a matter of good practice. They will usually reply saying no further action necessary. The DVLA also need to be notified of engine changes as well as insurance company - he says insurance companies have refused to pay out because not declared to DVLA.

Also gave me an example of one Mini owner who put air suspension on his car and is now in jail after killing two occupants.

Anything mechanically changed from standard needs to be written to DVLA as a matter of good practice. This includes LOWERING the car, anything that affects handling, power output, braking system.

This is the same law that has governed modded cars for 20 years, but enforcement is being approached in a multi-pronged attack.

With regards to shorties - they will have a real struggle as they DO need to conform to 2009 regs, such as collapsable steering rack, and a better braking system (mini braking system is not good enough as standard). Documentation (ie photos) of the build will substantially increase the chances of the car passing the IVA.

The pedestrian safety test is not dealt with by the IVA so not necessary.

Finally, anyone who buys a modded vehicles, ie a shorty, will "really struggle" to get the car approved roadworthy without the build photos and documentation. IE - dont buy a shorty without the build pics because they wont declare it road legal.

So it seems Shaun is not talking rubbish, and is due an apology.

[BoboGib]

If you are pulled over by the cops and found to be driving an undeclared modified vehicle then you will be stung twice by DVLA and for null and void insurance.


Anything mechanically changed should be notified to the DVLA as a matter of good practice. They will usually reply saying no further action necessary. The DVLA also need to be notified of engine changes as well as insurance company - he says insurance companies have refused to pay out because not declared to DVLA.



Anything mechanically changed from standard needs to be written to DVLA as a matter of good practice. This includes LOWERING the car, anything that affects handling, power output, braking system.

This is the same law that has governed modded cars for 20 years, but enforcement is being approached in a multi-pronged attack.

CMcB, When you say an 'undeclared modified car' what do you mean? All my mods are declared to my insurance company who have accepted them and have altered my premium accordingly is this sufficient?

I have never heard about having to write and declare mods to the DVLA, Where can I find the info regarding this?

[Komenda]

I have contacted the number given by Garrett and spoken to Mark- IVA Techincal officer 01792 454 256 - who said this.

The Mot tester will notify the DVLA (by the push of a button) if they suspect the car is modified \
The DVLA will call in the car for an IVA - cost £450 currently

If you are pulled over by the cops and found to be driving an undeclared modified vehicle then you will be stung twice by DVLA and for null and void insurance.

Aesthetic mods are "usually" ok, so no worries about spoilers or bodykits

Anything mechanically changed should be notified to the DVLA as a matter of good practice. They will usually reply saying no further action necessary. The DVLA also need to be notified of engine changes as well as insurance company - he says insurance companies have refused to pay out because not declared to DVLA.

Also gave me an example of one Mini owner who put air suspension on his car and is now in jail after killing two occupants.

Anything mechanically changed from standard needs to be written to DVLA as a matter of good practice. This includes LOWERING the car, anything that affects handling, power output, braking system.

This is the same law that has governed modded cars for 20 years, but enforcement is being approached in a multi-pronged attack.

With regards to shorties - they will have a real struggle as they DO need to conform to 2009 regs, such as collapsable steering rack, and a better braking system (mini braking system is not good enough as standard). Documentation (ie photos) of the build will substantially increase the chances of the car passing the IVA.

The pedestrian safety test is not dealt with by the IVA so not necessary.

Finally, anyone who buys a modded vehicles, ie a shorty, will "really struggle" to get the car approved roadworthy without the build photos and documentation. IE - dont buy a shorty without the build pics because they wont declare it road legal.

So it seems Shaun is not talking rubbish, and is due an apology.

Does this apply to all vehicles on the road regardless of the date of manufacture, or will it apply to vehciles manufactured after a certain date??

[MK1]

I have contacted the number given by Garrett and spoken to Mark- IVA Techincal officer 01792 454 256 - who said this.

The Mot tester will notify the DVLA (by the push of a button) if they suspect the car is modified \
The DVLA will call in the car for an IVA - cost £450 currently

If you are pulled over by the cops and found to be driving an undeclared modified vehicle then you will be stung twice by DVLA and for null and void insurance.

Aesthetic mods are "usually" ok, so no worries about spoilers or bodykits

Anything mechanically changed should be notified to the DVLA as a matter of good practice. They will usually reply saying no further action necessary. The DVLA also need to be notified of engine changes as well as insurance company - he says insurance companies have refused to pay out because not declared to DVLA.

Also gave me an example of one Mini owner who put air suspension on his car and is now in jail after killing two occupants.

Anything mechanically changed from standard needs to be written to DVLA as a matter of good practice. This includes LOWERING the car, anything that affects handling, power output, braking system.

This is the same law that has governed modded cars for 20 years, but enforcement is being approached in a multi-pronged attack.

With regards to shorties - they will have a real struggle as they DO need to conform to 2009 regs, such as collapsable steering rack, and a better braking system (mini braking system is not good enough as standard). Documentation (ie photos) of the build will substantially increase the chances of the car passing the IVA.

The pedestrian safety test is not dealt with by the IVA so not necessary.

Finally, anyone who buys a modded vehicles, ie a shorty, will "really struggle" to get the car approved roadworthy without the build photos and documentation. IE - dont buy a shorty without the build pics because they wont declare it road legal.

So it seems Shaun is not talking rubbish, and is due an apology.

Well I'm now totally confused. I've just read this entire thread and unless I've mixed something up, don't you have a totally contradictory report to Jordie?

I'm slightly concerned as someone wanting to restore Mini with a much larger A-series engine, better brakes, better suspension, roll cage etc as a road going car - on the other hand I would expect to pay for some sort of inspection on something like that anyway.

[MK1]

If you are pulled over by the cops and found to be driving an undeclared modified vehicle then you will be stung twice by DVLA and for null and void insurance.


Anything mechanically changed should be notified to the DVLA as a matter of good practice. They will usually reply saying no further action necessary. The DVLA also need to be notified of engine changes as well as insurance company - he says insurance companies have refused to pay out because not declared to DVLA.



Anything mechanically changed from standard needs to be written to DVLA as a matter of good practice. This includes LOWERING the car, anything that affects handling, power output, braking system.

This is the same law that has governed modded cars for 20 years, but enforcement is being approached in a multi-pronged attack.

CMcB, When you say an 'undeclared modified car' what do you mean? All my mods are declared to my insurance company who have accepted them and have altered my premium accordingly is this sufficient?

I have never heard about having to write and declare mods to the DVLA, Where can I find the info regarding this?

I would assume he is talking about things like colour change so that when the police are looking at your car on the database as a red mini its actually cream etc etc etc. They will also want to know about engine changes etc I would think.

[Mini-Mad-Craig]

Surely if minis are still allowed on the road, along with other classics then its all good?

[BoboGib]

If you are pulled over by the cops and found to be driving an undeclared modified vehicle then you will be stung twice by DVLA and for null and void insurance.


Anything mechanically changed should be notified to the DVLA as a matter of good practice. They will usually reply saying no further action necessary. The DVLA also need to be notified of engine changes as well as insurance company - he says insurance companies have refused to pay out because not declared to DVLA.



Anything mechanically changed from standard needs to be written to DVLA as a matter of good practice. This includes LOWERING the car, anything that affects handling, power output, braking system.

This is the same law that has governed modded cars for 20 years, but enforcement is being approached in a multi-pronged attack.

CMcB, When you say an 'undeclared modified car' what do you mean? All my mods are declared to my insurance company who have accepted them and have altered my premium accordingly is this sufficient?

I have never heard about having to write and declare mods to the DVLA, Where can I find the info regarding this?

I would assume he is talking about things like colour change so that when the police are looking at your car on the database as a red mini its actually cream etc etc etc. They will also want to know about engine changes etc I would think.

I understand this, but in his post he states "Anything mechanically changed from standard needs to be written to DVLA as a matter of good practice" Does this mean we SHOULD do it, or HAVE to do it?

[ferrit]

This is getting stupid, the information we are being given is contradictory, see the below for VOSA pricing for an IVA on a class M1 vehicle (ie car) its £199 no £450

IVA prices as of April 2009

Strike that classes A (amateur built), C ( built using parts from other vehicles) & S (rebuilt vehicles) are £450 my bad

Edited by ferrit, 14 July 2009 - 12:08 PM.

[MK1]

If you are pulled over by the cops and found to be driving an undeclared modified vehicle then you will be stung twice by DVLA and for null and void insurance.


Anything mechanically changed should be notified to the DVLA as a matter of good practice. They will usually reply saying no further action necessary. The DVLA also need to be notified of engine changes as well as insurance company - he says insurance companies have refused to pay out because not declared to DVLA.



Anything mechanically changed from standard needs to be written to DVLA as a matter of good practice. This includes LOWERING the car, anything that affects handling, power output, braking system.

This is the same law that has governed modded cars for 20 years, but enforcement is being approached in a multi-pronged attack.

CMcB, When you say an 'undeclared modified car' what do you mean? All my mods are declared to my insurance company who have accepted them and have altered my premium accordingly is this sufficient?

I have never heard about having to write and declare mods to the DVLA, Where can I find the info regarding this?

I would assume he is talking about things like colour change so that when the police are looking at your car on the database as a red mini its actually cream etc etc etc. They will also want to know about engine changes etc I would think.

I understand this, but in his post he states "Anything mechanically changed from standard needs to be written to DVLA as a matter of good practice" Does this mean we SHOULD do it, or HAVE to do it?

Well as far as I know, if you have swapped an engine which is mechanical (for example) - they need to know.

[Jordie]

Well I'm now totally confused. I've just read this entire thread and unless I've mixed something up, don't you have a totally contradictory report to Jordie?

I have contacted VOSA.... not DVLA........ but VOSA run the MOT testing systems and stations. VOSA have told myself that, there are no current plans to include a check to identify if the car is modified or not in the mot test in the future.

Garrett3 suggests that this will happen in 2012. But VOSA are saying otherwise? Come on, if it was to be enforced, VOSA would need the system in place before then and be rolling out the updates and modifications to the testing software and stations throughout the UK.

I am not worried about changing engine, brakes, suspension, colour, body mods, wheels, steering, interior etc on my vehicle

[MK1]

Well I'm now totally confused. I've just read this entire thread and unless I've mixed something up, don't you have a totally contradictory report to Jordie?

I have contacted VOSA.... not DVLA........ but VOSA run the MOT testing systems and stations. VOSA have told myself that, there are no current plans to include a check to identify if the car is modified or not in the mot test in the future.

Garrett3 suggests that this will happen in 2012. But VOSA are saying otherwise? Come on, if it was to be enforced, VOSA would need the system in place before then and be rolling out the updates and modifications to the testing software and stations throughout the UK.

I am not worried about changing engine, brakes, suspension, colour, body mods, wheels, steering, interior etc on my vehicle

VOSA may be saying its not happening but why has this "IVA Technical Officer" guy said otherwise?

ooooooooof maybe I'm being a bit special but I'm uber confused.

[BoboGib]

If you are pulled over by the cops and found to be driving an undeclared modified vehicle then you will be stung twice by DVLA and for null and void insurance.


Anything mechanically changed should be notified to the DVLA as a matter of good practice. They will usually reply saying no further action necessary. The DVLA also need to be notified of engine changes as well as insurance company - he says insurance companies have refused to pay out because not declared to DVLA.



Anything mechanically changed from standard needs to be written to DVLA as a matter of good practice. This includes LOWERING the car, anything that affects handling, power output, braking system.

This is the same law that has governed modded cars for 20 years, but enforcement is being approached in a multi-pronged attack.

CMcB, When you say an 'undeclared modified car' what do you mean? All my mods are declared to my insurance company who have accepted them and have altered my premium accordingly is this sufficient?

I have never heard about having to write and declare mods to the DVLA, Where can I find the info regarding this?

I would assume he is talking about things like colour change so that when the police are looking at your car on the database as a red mini its actually cream etc etc etc. They will also want to know about engine changes etc I would think.

I understand this, but in his post he states "Anything mechanically changed from standard needs to be written to DVLA as a matter of good practice" Does this mean we SHOULD do it, or HAVE to do it?

Well as far as I know, if you have swapped an engine which is mechanical (for example) - they need to know.

Yea as this is recordid on the V5 as is the colour. I'm more refering to brakes, suspension, wheel arches, alloys etc. There is nowhere on the V5 for this info so do the DVLA NEED to know about them or do the LIKE to have the info. The way I have always understood it is as long as the car matches the log book (engine size/nu,be and colour) and the insurance know about other mods, alloya, exhaust etc then it perfectly legal. All I what to do is find out whether my mini is legal or not, its insured with all the mods and matches the log book. Do I still need to write a 10000 page essay to the DVLA telling them of all the mods?