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[rc45]

I had heard that even if your car was SORN you would still need an up to date MOT in the future, anyone else heard this??

Phil

[LOWRIDERHORNET]

If this is true we can just ignore the ban


Can`t rember what country it was but they tried banning smokeing in pups but they still smoke in pups even the police do they just ignore the goverment rules if the puplic don`t like it

I think this country should be abit like it myself



I think this country frighten of the goverment that why we just go along with everything they do

[Retro_10s]

We don't go along with everything they do - we just don't get a say in the matter. If a Government want to change something - they'll do it regardless of what the public think like they have so many times in the past.

Any time now one of those useless 'petition against so and so to do with minis' etc threads will get created and once again hundreds of people will sign it, and in the usual fashion - sod all will come of it.

I don't think people are scared of Governments (not in the UK anyway), we're just angry with them.

Anyway that's pretty much definately off topic

Some good reading in this thread now that we've finally got some actual testimonies and contact from VOSA. Think i'll call them myself if ever i need to and ask them anything and get the information direct.

[garrett3]

Great work Craig.

I may be the Mini guinea pig for this... watch this space

[redhotmini]

We don't go along with everything they do - we just don't get a say in the matter. If a Government want to change something - they'll do it regardless of what the public think like they have so many times in the past.

Any time now one of those useless 'petition against so and so to do with minis' etc threads will get created and once again hundreds of people will sign it, and in the usual fashion - sod all will come of it.

I don't think people are scared of Governments (not in the UK anyway), we're just angry with them.

Anyway that's pretty much definately off topic

Some good reading in this thread now that we've finally got some actual testimonies and contact from VOSA. Think i'll call them myself if ever i need to and ask them anything and get the information direct.

petitions and internet crusades are pointless anyway as nothing ever changes because of them - scrappage scheme anyone?!?. personally i think a lot of people are getting too worried about this anyway. as long as your car is built well and is in good order then whats the worry! theres still a long time to go before it gets put into practise anyway.

[garrett3]

petitions and internet crusades are pointless anyway as nothing ever changes because of them - scrappage scheme anyone?!?. personally i think a lot of people are getting too worried about this anyway. as long as your car is built well and is in good order then whats the worry! theres still a long time to go before it gets put into practise anyway.

I agree not to bother with the petitions as its a waste of time and may end up doing more harm then good. (the BIVA is the best of a bad situation and this was fought for by ACE so we have them to thank that our "heavily modded" cars can even stay on the road!

I'm sorry but its here and now.. the 2012 thing is an estimate of when all factors will be in place for your local MOT inspector to grass you up under action of law. (he can already do this and is being prompted to do so)

I do have to say though that everything is actually in place for the MOT inspector and DVLA ARE voiding V5's already, Even though ive been called a liar about this by some MOT inspectors it actually true. sorry guys.

Its NOT the death Knell of minis so dont worry there! its just very hard to continue heavy mods (body/structure) due to the IVA. ( A standard mini wouldnt pass 2009 EU standards)
Many mods will have to be carried out to get the mini to pass before the mods are even inspected... This in itself may be expensive not to mention the £450 test fee and £90 everytime it fails. (This sounds hideous BUT it can be done so just plan this into your new project and allow the cost!)


So shoot me down in flames again but the above is fact and verified to both me and others DIRECT from the horses mouth.


DONT PANIC! dont read my posts as doom/gloom just know what you are doing before you cut up your mini and make a shortie etc, build it to IVA standards and be prepared for extra costs and extra tests you may have got away with before (not booking in for an SVA when you should have). The new IVA is and WILL be enforced and is not to be treated as an option.

Thanks to those who have shown support and have posted extra information to clarify things, its hard to get things 100% when even at the first line of defence some information passed on to me may be sketchy and in some cases not even correct but I can say the above is true to the best of my knowledge and I have had this confirmed directly.

Thanks

Edited by garrett3, 15 July 2009 - 09:19 PM.

[The_Mistro]

I'm sorry but its here and now.. the 2012 thing is an estimate of when all factors will be in place for your local MOT inspector to grass you up under action of law. (he can already do this and is being prompted to do so)

firstly i want to apologise for my ignorance of the whole situation earlier and thank you for bringing this up! and to all of our attention!

secondly, i would just like to ask, i kinda know the answer to this already, but am not completly certain! when you say you will get grassed up for mods not declared to the DVLA, this doesnt involve seats, arches, wheels, bonnet stripes and what not does it? this means full resprays in different colours, if an engine has been bored out or replaced ("uprated" or not), body work that isnt standard sizes, eg, roof chop or elongating the wings to fit a vtec in. . . etc etc?

Edited by The_Mistro, 15 July 2009 - 09:33 PM.

[garrett3]

I'm sorry but its here and now.. the 2012 thing is an estimate of when all factors will be in place for your local MOT inspector to grass you up under action of law. (he can already do this and is being prompted to do so)

firstly i want to apologise for my ignorance of the whole situation earlier and thank you for bringing this up! and to all of our attention!

secondly, i would just like to ask, i kinda know the answer to this already, but am not completly certain! when you say you will get grassed up for mods not declared to the DVLA, this doesnt involve seats, arches, wheels, bonnet stripes and what not does it? this means full resprays in different colours, if an engine has been bored out or replaced ("uprated" or not), body work that isnt standard sizes, eg, roof chop or elongating the wings to fit a vtec in. . . etc etc?

Its all on a points system BUT as long as the car is as stated on the logbook when presented for the MOT then you shouldnt have a problem.

Colour change will have to be informed to the dvla but this alone will not be call for an IVA. It is however law to notify changes of colour. Leave it at your risk.

Stickers and basic bolt on goodies are not cause for an IVA. If they pass the MOT then they are not really of concern.

Interior stuff isnt really of concern to the MOT inspector as long as its of MOT standard so I dont think this will cause you any grief really.

Engines can be changed without cause for an IVA if they are type for type i.e an a series swapped for another a series. Bore will have to be notified to DVLA. Again this alone is not cause for concern.

What is of concern is when you fit a very large Honda engine on a custom subframe with coil over suspension and a flip front.. These mods will call for an IVA. (the norm VTEC set up)

Bodywork is the main area of concern

The mini body is a MONOCOQUE construction (means the boddy is action as a chassis.. well kind of anyway)
If you alter the mono body or chassis from standard then you will have to have an IVA
This does not count for repairs i.e fitteing pattern wings etc instead of originals.

Chop your roof = IVA
Shorten the body = IVA
Limo the body = IVA
Elongating wings and inner wing panels etc IS a mono body alteration and could lead you to an IVA
Lengthening wings for the Vtec is the least of your problems as you would allready have the engine and suspension mods costing you an IVA
Its pretty much anything you do to the mono body or chassis that changes it from original.

Flip fronts will in theory need an IVA. DVLA confirmed this BUT I am yet to speak to the TECH man to double clarify fibreglass panels and fitments etc etc.

The long and the short of this is if it looks different than it should and drives different then it should be aware of the mods and read up on the DVLA sites what you need to do next.

[The_Mistro]

ahhh right ok, that clears a lot of things up! the other thing i was going to ask was, fitting performance versions of standard components, lets say for example, shock absorbers, standard shock absorber vs SPAX damper? as that is just a bolt on part, would that make any difference to the MOT tester?

[Ethel]

There is no difference to the MoT. There does seem to be greater emphasis on the existing requirement for testers to notify the DVLA if the vehicle doesn't match its V5. Any shock absorber would be a replacement part if it fits in place of the original.

[mike.]

Would about small mods like weber boxes? Is this classed as a body mod?

And things like alloy 4 pots or coilovers? I suppose coilovers would result in an IVA, considering the arches would need tubbing?

Although its not the death of all minis, it does seem like it would kill off alot of popular mods. I mean the amount of people who already have flipfronts and engine conversions? What are they meant to do, convert back to standard or have their V5 seized until they save enough money for IVA mods and costs...

[cookie4343]

What about bucket seats and 4 point harneses will i need an iva for this.

This is so stupid, what a waste of time my mini project in the garage is, might aswell just scrap it and be done with it as ive chopped the rear seat hangover and removed the rear pockets and need to fit a rollcage and modified the rear lights and was gonna go clubman flip front so it's gonna need an iva test.
Where do they expect people to find 450 pound for this test and what percentage is the goverment getting, thats what it's all about goverment wanting more money because there greedy p****s.

Like today on the new's, gas and electric going up again and there blameing it on green house gases, what aload of bull there just wanting more money thats what this country is about, they just see pound signs in there eyes all day.
Also havent the goverment got better things to worry about like the resession and a outbreak of swine flu.
Sorry for the rant, just my feelings at the moment.

Edited by CharlieBrown, 16 July 2009 - 10:24 AM.
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[mini_turbo_pete]

Jesus Mary Joseph Amen if this is what our government is coming to i dont want anything to do with any modified car ever again !!

its cause of all their paper work i didnt decided to stop my teaching degree

OMG help us all if your going to be a teacher, no disrespect but you need to learn a hell of a lot nore before you can even consider teaching

[the.stroker]

please stay on topic,i draw your attention to the forum guidlines

[Geehawk]

Grassed up if the car does not match the V5 ... still at a loss how this would work, as if you have fitted a Vtec engine for instance and notified DVLA of the new engine size and engine number then the details on the V5 will match the car. So no reporting necessary, and the details of subframe and suspension are not recorded on the v5 for there to be a mismatch to report.

Unless the DVLA or whoever provide a mechanism for the owner to report and record these type of changes how can they punish you for not doing so?